From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Mar 05 13:03:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 21:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 69213 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 17:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 17:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.155) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 17:52:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:52:18 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:52:18 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [jboske] Quantifiers, Existential Import, and all that stuff Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:52:18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 17:52:18.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F882A0:01C1C3A5] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la lojbab cusku di'e >Nothing new is needed, if Aristotle satisfies. I believe that {me'iro da >broda cu brode} is a literal translation of the Aristotle approach. (What's {da} doing there?) me'iro broda cu brode = su'o broda naku brode = da'asu'o broda cu brode Yes, that works. But they are all false if the set of broda is empty, so I don't know whether Aristotle or pc would approve. I think the default for {me'i} should be {me'iro}, and the default for {da'a} should be {da'asu'o}, so that we could simply say {me'i broda} or {da'a broda} there. >(Of course we could get into philosophical hot water if we debate whether >"not all" = "less than all" if "all" refers to something that does not >exist, but I'll leave that to someone else %^). Only if you take "all" to have existential import. Otherwise there is no hot water. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx