From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Mar 05 14:51:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 22:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23206 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 17:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 17:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 17:18:06 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:51:19 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:18:08 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:17:54 +0000 To: lojban Subject: RE: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Jorge: #>1. How DO you say "apple" (as in "the bowl was full of apple") in #>Lojban? # #plise marji? My messages are getting delayed somewhere. Anyway, yesterday I sent a response asking for a nontanru/lujvo version.=20 #>2. Why do we insist on understanding lV'i gadri to refer to pure sets #>rather than to groups/teams? What is to be gained from this? # #Beats me. They are not what JCB meant by "set". But if #lo'i took over that function, what would be left for loi? loi plise =3D a bowl of apple lo'i plise =3D a bowl of apples Note that "a bowl of apple" doesn't require that it be diced or pureed; it simply deconceptualizes the individuating boundaries. But "a bowl of apples" does require conceptualizing the individuating boundaries. This usage change would have no implication other than to make it possible to make the same contrast that English does. --And.