From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Mar 05 19:15:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 03:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 89935 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26133; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C854F84.4050403@reutershealth.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:06:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: And Rosta , lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta wrote: > My messages are getting delayed somewhere. Anyway, yesterday > I sent a response asking for a nontanru/lujvo version. Yahoo Groups was down for maintenance, and is apparently still sluggish. > loi plise = a bowl of apple > lo'i plise = a bowl of apples The trouble with this is that "lo'i plise" means the set of all apples, which (even were we to say that a set can be contained) surely don't fit in the bowl. > Note that "a bowl of apple" doesn't require that it be diced or pureed; > it simply deconceptualizes the individuating boundaries. But "a bowl > of apples" does require conceptualizing the individuating boundaries. I agree with this reading of the English, and that "loi plise" gives you the former, since that is some portion of Mr. Apple. What is wrong with "lo plise" (some of the things which are apples) for "a bowl of apples"? -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_