From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 09 10:29:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 18:29:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 99500 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.201) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:29:12 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Quantifiers, Esistential Import, etc. Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:29:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2002 18:29:12.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F5484A0:01C1C798] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >Type: Normal Lojban : English >A+ : ro broda cu brode: Every S is P >A- : ro da poi broda cu brode : Any S is P >E+: no broda cu brode: None of the S is P >E- : no da poi broda cu brode: No S is P >I+ : lo broda cu brode: Some S is P >I- : da poi broda cu brode: Some S -- if there are any -- is P >O+ : lo broda cu naku brode: Some S is not P/ Not all S is P >O- : da poi broda cu naku brode: Not every S is P/ Some S -- if there are >any >-- is P Thanks, I see that you've gone back to {da poi broda cu brode} for I-. This does have regularity, but it makes transformations complicated. For example, {naku ro broda} goes to {su'o da poi broda naku} instead of just {su'o broda naku}, and so on. In any case, it is as much "against the Book" as my version. The Book has {ro da poi broda cu brode} for A+ (pg 399), which goes against both our systems, and it allows all the transformations that my system allows (section starting on page 405). It also says explicitly that {su'o da poi verba naku klama su'o de poi ckule} is identical in meaning to {su'o verba naku klama su'o ckule}, which is what my system allows, but not yours. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com