From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 09 20:26:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 04:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 84912 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 04:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 04:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.28) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 04:26:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:26:54 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:26:53 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: More fun with quantifiers Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:26:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2002 04:26:54.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEB2A260:01C1C7EB] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 These are some alternative forms for the quantifiers: A za'uda'apa = su'oro E me'ipa = su'eno I za'uno = su'opa O me'iro = su'eda'apa U su'ono = su'ero (tautology) Y me'ino = za'uro (contradiction) I think it's very neat how all the combinations are accounted for (allowing for the pa/da'apa variation): za'u, me'i, su'o and su'e, followed by no, ro, pa/da'apa. Since we have two forms for each, we could even assign one to have existential import and the other for the lack of import. I would say: A- su'oro A+ za'uda'apa E- su'eno E+ me'ipa I- za'uno I+ su'opa O- me'iro O+ su'eda'apa In other words, I would give import to those that mention {pa}, which conveniently leaves {ro} for A-, {no} for E- and {su'o} for I+ :) mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com