From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Mar 12 12:57:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 20:57:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 74002 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 20:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 20:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.28) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 20:57:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:57:02 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:57:01 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] More about quantifiers Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:57:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 20:57:02.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[7568B4F0:01C1CA08] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >Further, if Jorge and pc want to propose comprehensive >systems for importing and nonimporting quantifiers, they >should be done solely on the basis of "da poi ke'a", since >only such a system will generalize to all cases. In this >respect, Jorge's and pc's proposals are equally defective. You're quite right. Here's a proposal that complements mine so as to take care of the remaining cases: Let's define: {roma'u}, {noma'u}, {su'oma'u} and {me'iroma'u} as always having existential import, and {roni'u}, {noni'u}, {su'oni'u} and {me'ironi'u} as the non-import forms. In my system: ro = roni'u no = noni'u su'o = su'oma'u me'iro = me'iroma'u Other systems will have other defaults (but these are the easiest to use for naku transformations). In practice I don't expect these to be used, but they would be there in principle for those who want a complete system. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com