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Subject: Re: [lojban] More about quantifiers
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From: And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>
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pc:
#<Further, if Jorge and pc want to propose comprehensive
#systems for importing and nonimporting quantifiers, they
#should be done solely on the basis of "da poi ke'a", since
#only such a system will generalize to all cases. In this
#respect, Jorge's and pc's proposals are equally defective.>
#
#How disappointing! But it does provide a nice agreeable ending for the=20
#discussion. Except that we now have no forms for the people who seem #to =
want - forms. Not a great loss, I think, but they (and I rather think & an=
d=20
#surely xorxes are in the group) will want to protest. Well, let them come=
up=20
#with a good answer, then.

"ro da ga broda gi na brode" is effectively nonimporting, since it
doesn't entail "da brode".=20

Perhaps "ro lu'a lo'i broda" is not importing either -- I don't think that'=
s
been discussed at all.

I have to concede that, from my *severely* limited knowledge of
restricted quantification, r.q. is importing, so if "da poi" is, as the
syntax obviously suggests, r.q., then "ro da poi ke'a broda" entails=20
"su'o da broda". And if "lo broda" is an abbreviation of "da poi ke'a=20
broda" then "ro broda" must entail "su'o da broda".

So, although my dialect is the same as Jorge's, I think I shall have
to switch sides to pc, and declare myself to have been Wrong.

I am fairly confident that this entire thread will have zero effect on
usage, but the participants seem to have derived pleasure from it,
which is enough.

--And.