From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Mar 13 07:35:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 15:35:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 29710 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 15:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 15:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.125) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 15:35:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:35:43 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:35:41 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] More about quantifiers Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:35:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 15:35:43.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCB6ABE0:01C1CAA4] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >Perhaps "ro lu'a lo'i broda" is not importing either -- I don't think >that's >been discussed at all. For me it is not importing. I think pc might say {ro lu'a lo'i broda} is nonsense when {lo'i broda} is the empty set. >I have to concede that, from my *severely* limited knowledge of >restricted quantification, r.q. is importing, I wouldn't know how to check that. Would you say for example that this page is wrong: http://www.wabash.edu/depart/Phil/classmaterials/Phil3F99/Phil3txt/Phil3txt7/Phil3txt73/Phil3txt733.html When it moves very freely from restricted form (Ax:Sx)Px to unrestricted Ax(Sx->Px) >I am fairly confident that this entire thread will have zero effect on >usage, but the participants seem to have derived pleasure from it, >which is enough. I did. I think the introduction of the +/- notation in this round of the discussion was a big step forward, as we can now avoid the "A entails I, no it doesn't, yes it does" silliness. Everybody agrees that A+ entails I+ and that A- does not entail I+. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.