From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Thu Mar 14 10:33:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 18:33:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 59354 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 18:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 18:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 18:31:51 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id g2EIVpI20000 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:31:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:31:51 -0700 (MST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] openprojects IRC whining. In-Reply-To: <20020314071550.GB29405@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Jay Kominek X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20706630 X-Yahoo-Profile: jfkominek On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > So, people are *still* bitching about using the openprojects.org 'net > for IRC, even though > > 1) Using lojban.org for lojban IRC makes more sense. > 2) openprojects.org splits several times a day. I'll repeat this again, just in case I've accidentally been speaking Swahili the last few times: 1) lojban.org is a name. When you have control of the DNS, you could setup your own round robin for irc.lojban.org which pointed it to either a single OpenProjects server, (I can't recall one ever going down without significant warning, and for a good reason.) or to a small collection of servers which are usually topologically close. (I'll develop software which can update that list every half an hour or so, if you'd like, to guarntee that they're close. I'll even start collecting statistics about average distance between servers.) 2) A single server can't split from itself. If all Lojban users agreed to normally use a single OpenProjects server, (which they wouldn't even have to know they were doing if they were just told to use irc.lojban.org when it pointed to a specific server) splitting would become mostly irrelevent, and then other OpenProjects users could still pop in from time to time, and Lojbanists could participate in other channels more convinently. I used the above described technique for quite a long time on Undernet (which splits more than OpenProjects) with a much larger group of people, and was quite successful. Absolutely everyone will be getting what they want, and you won't have to deal with IRC server maintence, etc. If/when something happens to an OpenProjects server, they've got a huge team of people who work prompt to fix it, whereas presumably, you leave your house occasionally. :) > So, here's my offer: > > If someone is willing to do the work to allow me to be connected as a > (secondary) server to openprojects, I'll deal with the bandwidth sucking > that will cause. As the OpenProjects people state on their web page, they do accept new servers, but the minimum requirements are in the neighborhood of 45Mbps of multihomed bandwidth. I don't think your DSL quite counts. ;) - Jay Kominek Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose