From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 14 14:27:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 22:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 54943 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 22:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 22:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (216.231.54.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 22:27:57 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16ldiH-00009g-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:28:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:28:45 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] openprojects IRC whining. Message-ID: <20020314222845.GQ29405@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20020314071550.GB29405@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i From: Robin Lee Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66827819 X-Yahoo-Profile: robinleepowell On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:31:51AM -0700, Jay Kominek wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > So, people are *still* bitching about using the openprojects.org 'net > > for IRC, even though > > > > 1) Using lojban.org for lojban IRC makes more sense. > > 2) openprojects.org splits several times a day. > > I'll repeat this again, just in case I've accidentally been speaking > Swahili the last few times: > > 1) lojban.org is a name. When you have control of the DNS, you could setup > your own round robin for irc.lojban.org which pointed it to either a > single OpenProjects server, (I can't recall one ever going down without > significant warning, and for a good reason.) or to a small collection > of servers which are usually topologically close. (I'll develop > software which can update that list every half an hour or so, if you'd > like, to guarntee that they're close. I'll even start collecting > statistics about average distance between servers.) > > 2) A single server can't split from itself. If all Lojban users agreed to > normally use a single OpenProjects server, (which they wouldn't even > have to know they were doing if they were just told to use > irc.lojban.org when it pointed to a specific server) splitting would > become mostly irrelevent, and then other OpenProjects users could still > pop in from time to time, and Lojbanists could participate in other > channels more convinently. > > I used the above described technique for quite a long time on Undernet > (which splits more than OpenProjects) with a much larger group of > people, and was quite successful. > > Absolutely everyone will be getting what they want, and you won't have > to deal with IRC server maintence, etc. If/when something happens to > an OpenProjects server, they've got a huge team of people who work > prompt to fix it, whereas presumably, you leave your house > occasionally. :) You know, all of the above may be true, but last I checked the community in general agreed to use my server. Your statements to the contrary are not helping anything. I *still* think that having it on a public servernet doesn't help; AFAIK *no-one* has come to lojban through accidently seeing the channel on openprojects, unless they had previously heard of the language before. I'll see what I can do about getting the DNS. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/