From robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR Thu Mar 14 15:57:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: robin@real-time.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 23:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 62799 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 23:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 23:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (139.179.111.137) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 23:57:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2F0AQ801502 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:10:26 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] lojban.org transfer, reprise. Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:10:26 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02031502102605.01181@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810606 X-Yahoo-Profile: digambaranath On Friday 15 March 2002 01:32, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Craig wrote: > > >> >Also, at that point we *could* move the mailing lists off of yahoo, > > >> > and hence get rid of the advertising. But I have a feeling people > > >> > don't want to do that, due to the public exposure (which I still say > > >> > is nebulous, at best). > > >> > > >> There's also some (mistaken, IMVHO) feeling that it is easier to use > > > > yahoo. > > > > >> If this were demonstrably true, I would support the continued use of > > > > yahoo > > > > >> just so as not to turn off non-geeks any more than we already do. > > > > > >I wasn't aware there were politically correct alternatives that support > > >the same feature set as does Yahoo groups. > > > > A. What would make an alternative politically incorrect? > > There is a school of thought that frowns upon anything that's commercial > or corporate. Open Source is Good, Starbucks is Bad. You know what I'm > talking about. I think there were other issues with Yahoo, but they may have been resolved now. I moved my site from Geocities when Yahoo bought it, because they introduced a EULA worthy of Microsoft (it basically gave Yahoo copyright of any web pages they hosted). Yahoo backtracked considerably and AFAIK this is now a non-issue (I didn't return, because my current provider, Spaceports, have a good no nonsense deal with unlimited space, no frills and reliable servers - they have intrusive framed ads, but that's still better than popups). > > > B. When was the last time this group used a poll, or images, or any other > > feature other than mailing? Good point. KISS. > Lojban people are notorious for complaining how they have no time for > anything, Mea culpa. It seems the kind of people who are interested in Lojban are also interested in a lot of other things, which often take priority. I'm a good example - I have a passable theoretical knowledge of the language (hell, I co-wrote a textbook!) but I still can't be bothered to learn the vocabulary. I think this list could do what it it does on almost any setup. As for visibility, we have a number of good websites. robin.tr