From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 14 17:03:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 01:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 33156 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 01:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 01:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (216.231.54.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 01:03:31 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lg8p-0001Sv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:04:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:04:19 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] openprojects IRC whining. Message-ID: <20020315010419.GE29405@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20020314222845.GQ29405@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i From: Robin Lee Powell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66827819 X-Yahoo-Profile: robinleepowell On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:10:32PM -0700, Jay Kominek wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > You know, all of the above may be true, but last I checked the > > community in general agreed to use my server. Your statements to > > the contrary are not helping anything. > > Please, there wasn't community agreement. I recall you asking about > where it ought to be, and then the following message came through > about 2 to 3 weeks later: > > "In the wake of a deafening lack of comment, I am declaring lojban.org > the official IRC server of the lojban community." Then you should have responded, shouldn't you? > This is the first time I've said anything to the contrary since it > became "official". I'm not trying to make things difficult, but I see > you calling it "whining" when OpenProjects has got people on it, and > you've got xod, and I'm compelled to at least attempt to set the > record straight. Since there was no argument at the time, I had no idea until yesterday that people were still using the openprojects net. > If you want the community's opinion, look at the users. There are > consistently more people on OpenProject's #lojban than yours. See above. > > I *still* think that having it on a public servernet doesn't help; > > AFAIK *no-one* has come to lojban through accidently seeing the > > channel on openprojects, unless they had previously heard of the > > language before. > > You've not been on there is quite a long time. Note that the last time I was on, there was no-one else but me on for almost a week. > I distinctly recall greeting more than a handful of people who have > stumbled in there, recognizing only the name, and coming to see if it > was the language, if people in there spoke it, etc, etc. > The only difference between your proposal to try and link your IRC > server to OpenProjects, and just pointing a CNAME at a single > OpenProjects server Which I've already agreed to do, just to make this argument go away. > is that you'd be (the only person) running it. You can stand around > screaming at us "It makes more sense to use my server!" all day, but > without some sort of justification, it isn't particularly convincing. Uhhh, you mean besides the netsplits, the constant operator messages, and the silent netsplits such that people *look* like they are there but never respond? Am I talking to a wall? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/