From phma@webjockey.net Sat Mar 30 10:24:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 18:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 71242 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 18:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 18:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 18:24:48 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id C93553C477; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:24:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u once again Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:24:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <18b.5bbf40b.29d75712@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <18b.5bbf40b.29d75712@aol.com> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203301324450I.02368@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Saturday 30 March 2002 12:59, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > le ka la fred bilma cu du'u ce'u zmadu le nu la djorj bilma le du'u ce'u > kei rinka le nu le bilma cu roble That says that George's symptoms are the fact that ... then the clause is aborted with {kei} with no selbri yet, so it doesn't parse. > or > > le ni la fred bilma cu zmadu le ni la djordj bilma le ni ce'u rinka le nu > le bilma cu roble That says that George's symptoms are the amount of causation. {lenu la fred. bilma cu zmadu lenu la djordj. bilma kei leka ce'u rinka leka zo'e ruble} could be construed as the illness making someone else weak. {lenu la fred. bilma cu zmadu lenu la djordj. bilma kei leka ce'u rinka leka ce'u ruble} sounds pretty clear, even though the first ce'u is the illness and the second is Fred or George. {leni ... leni} may be better. If I weren't teaching about abstractions and subordinate clauses, I'd say {lenu la fred. bilma cu blerikmau lenu la djordj. bilma}. phma