From pycyn@aol.com Tue Apr 02 15:12:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 23:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21694 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 23:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 23:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.89.15e8f22b (4543) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:11:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <89.15e8f22b.29db94bb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:11:55 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u once again To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_89.15e8f22b.29db94bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_89.15e8f22b.29db94bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2002 4:30:59 AM Central Standard Time, araizen@newmail.net writes: > No it doesn't. 'zmadu' requires a unary property in the 3rd place. > Why? Why not say "is to the left of"? Right; {zmadu} doesn't ask or answer a question (doesn't take a propositional object). <> lenu la fred. bilma cu zmadu lenu la djordj. bilma kei > leka ce'uxipa goi tu'a ce'uxire rinka leka ce'uxire ruble? Even there it's not completely clear what is raised out of the abstraction; it could also be the illness.> Nor is it clear what abstraction is being raised from -- this is an open variable, not confined to the stuff in the neighborhood, except conventionally. --part1_89.15e8f22b.29db94bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2002 4:30:59 AM Central Standard Time, araizen@newmail.net writes:


No it doesn't. 'zmadu' requires a unary property in the 3rd place.

Why? Why not say "is to the left of"? 

<I don't think that a 'makau' is appropriate with 'zmadu'.>

Right; {zmadu} doesn't ask or answer a question (doesn't take a propositional object).

<> lenu la fred. bilma cu zmadu lenu la djordj. bilma kei
> leka ce'uxipa goi tu'a ce'uxire rinka leka ce'uxire ruble?

Even there it's not completely clear what is raised out of the abstraction;
it could also be the illness.>

Nor is it clear what abstraction is being raised from -- this is an open variable, not confined to the stuff in the neighborhood, except conventionally.

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