From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Apr 04 14:19:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 22:19:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 42693 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 22:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 22:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.209) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 22:19:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:19:12 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:19:12 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u once again Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:19:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 22:19:12.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF9E11C0:01C1DC26] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la djan cusku di'e >I think the problem is that "Fred's illness" is ambiguous between >"the kind of illness Fred has" and "the particular instance of >illness that Fred has". Cancer is undoubtedly more debilitating than >diarrhea, but if Fred's cancer is in remission it may be less >debilitating than George's full-blast travelers' trots. > >The "instance of" is an event, but the "kind of" is probably not >an event. {lo kenra be la fred} would be a particular instance, and {lo'e kenra (be zi'o?)} would be the generic. How would we express the illness as an event, given that {bilma} has a place for the disease? What selbri could we use? Is it {le nu bilma cu rinka le nu ruble}, or {le te bilma cu rinka le nu ruble}? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx