From jcowan@reutershealth.com Thu Apr 11 07:02:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 14:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 76832 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 14:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 14:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 14:02:53 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26325 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200204111402.KAA26325@mail.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:02:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] brify To: lojban@yahoogroups.com (Lojban List) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "And Rosta" at Apr 11, 2002 02:02:33 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta scripsit: > But what I don't understand is how you can consider it a strong habit, > when final -e in German is E-like rather than schwa-like. It seems rather > mysterious that Germans should in their Lojban and Esperanto speech > all tend to introduce a mispronunciation whose aetiology is not transparently > a carryover from their native language. Maybe there are German accents > I'm not familiar with in which final -e is schwa-like; my limited exposure to > them has a southern bias. Certainly my mother, a native speaker and a northerner whose German was rather close to normative (the result of being part of a family that spoke close-to-Standard German among a sea of dialect speakers) always rendered final -e (not -er) as [@], and taught it that way too. Standard German, after all, is essentially a Low pronunciation of High German. -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_