From robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR Sat Apr 13 08:53:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 15:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13872 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr) (139.179.30.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 15:53:34 -0000 Received: from there (neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.97.69]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with SMTP id BDCC01276C for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:30:23 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Bilkent University To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Tense and attitudinals Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:51:27 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020413163023.BDCC01276C@manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> From: Robin Turner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810606 X-Yahoo-Profile: digambaranath On Saturday 13 April 2002 17:47, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Robin Turner wrote: > > Is it possible to tense, not an attitudinal itself, but the > > source of the emotion expressed? I was trying to work out an > > attitudinal to express the nostalgic feelings brought about by > > finding some old friends on the Net, something like > > > > .uisairo'a.uinairu'e ro'i > > > > but I wanted to indicate that the first part is activated by the > > present situation, and the latter by memories (and regret that > > the situation is not as it was). > > Attitudinals refer to the speaker and to the instant they are > speaking. There are only two exceptions, and that's pei and dai. I > think you'll need an experimental cmavo for that, which I will > start using myself. While you're at it, you might like to create > one to project emotions to a third party, as well. I was hoping there'd be an obscure event-contour, a sort of "with reference to another event". Thus mi Xpu gleki / .uiXpu would mean "I am happy with respect to or as a result of some event in the past" robin.tr -- "Bravo Epictetus!" - Epictetus Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin