From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 11:19:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 18:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 93314 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 15:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 15:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 15:07:52 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:39:43 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:07:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:07:24 +0100 To: kfl , llg-members , lojban Subject: Re: [llg-members] Any possibility of moving these lists off Yahoo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Is this mainly a problem for Americans? I have not found I am getting lots of spam. The only evidence I personally have of Yahoo's change is the many angry messages people have sent to the yahoo lists I subscribe to. I do hate the crap at the end of messages, especially when it's html format mail & tries to dial me up to the net half a dozen times per message. But it is quite useful to have most of one's list subscriptions in the same place. At any rate, there does exist a dormant Lojban list on a UK state-funded academic listserv. The downside to migrating there is that a list at yahoogroups could serve as a good recruiter. --And. >>> kfl@KeithLynch.net 04/16/02 02:07am >>> As most of you know, Yahoo is changing everyone's "don't spam me" to "DO spam me". For Yahoo to even ask is tacky. For them to have it pre-checked "yes" was downright sleazy. But for them to retroactively turn our "no" answers into "yes" answers is just plain criminal fraud. Spam is destroying the usefulness of email. I won't put up with it, or with anyone who sends it. Especially when they lie about it. I plan to remove all Yahoo links from my bookmarks, unsubscribe from all yahoogroups lists (including these two), add yahoo.com and yahoogroups.com to my spam filters, and demand that Yahoo remove all links to any of my pages. And write a (paper) letter to Yahoo, explaining why I am doing so, and why I am recommending to everyone I know that they also do so. It's my hope that all of you who hate spam, hypocricy, lies, and fraud will do the same. And that a new home can be found for these lists. --=20 Keith F. Lynch - kfl@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/=20 I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: llg-members-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 =20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20