From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Apr 20 12:48:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 19:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23276 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 19:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 19:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (216.231.54.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 19:48:08 -0000 Received: from [205.252.61.3] (helo=bob.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16z0qp-0005AP-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420150807.04be0650@digitalkingdom.org> X-Sender: lojbab@digitalkingdom.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:28:57 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] where the mailing lists lie In-Reply-To: <20020420070244.GT28651@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419173804.04b5eec0@digitalkingdom.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020418222728.049dde70@digitalkingdom.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419173804.04b5eec0@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: lojbab X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 12:02 AM 4/20/02 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 06:08:03PM -0400, lojbab wrote: > > At 01:09 AM 4/19/02 -0600, Jay Kominek wrote: > > >Yahoo is making it quite clear that they have no respect for our > > >privacy, by running around with these plans to sell off our personal > > >information. > > > > They're running a business, and need to make a profit or sooner or > > later the service will no longer be available. > >That's part of the point. What do we do then? Deal with it. What do we do if Robin Powell suddenly drops off the face of the earth (I'm not morbid or anything, but I have already had one younger Lojbanist (Preston Maxwell, who did the first translations of material from non-English into Lojban) die in the middle of a long exchange of snail mail correspondence on what was at the time very important work, and I had no idea what happened until I called information and got his parents phone number leading to a very embarrassing conversation. Likewise Athelstan's injury instantly terminated all of the projects he was working on at the time. There is nothing in the project that is guaranteed to continue. We have some limited plans (such as if something happens to me, Cowan is there to take over at least in authority). > > They've ALWAYS wanted to sell your personal information. You could > > tell them no before, and you can tell them no now, > >Except that they switch it back. Not clear. It looked like they added a whole set of preferences to replace a single one. They also told us, too. From what it looks like, they implemented the screens to enter the data before telling us that they were doing this, but the message seemed to indicate that this was all well in advance of actually using the information. > > >It isn't so much a matter of advantages, as lists are relatively > > >simplistic things. Rather, it is what disadvantages we can avoid. > > > > And for all the complaints, I haven't seen anything new. They stuck > > in a new few options, and used it as an excuse to make it necessary > > for everyone to say no again. They've done it before. Life goes on. > >Who is 'they'? And has it occured to you that if people take it into >their heads to bitch about this on a regular basis, there might be a >*reason*? Many people on the net are paranoid about privacy. Possibly with good reason, though I think the bottom line is that privacy of the sort they are seeking is long gone, unless you use only encrypted info or false information. It is also clear that despite people being paranoid, yahoogroups has an enormous customer base, so it seems that most people have decided not to worry about it. lojbab