From araizen@newmail.net Sat Apr 27 12:02:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 19:02:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 52249 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxout1.netvision.net.il) (194.90.9.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.0.180.5]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with SMTP id <0GV8007RQQ8011@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:02:26 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:41:08 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] So you think you're logical? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003701c1ee26$72ad1c00$05b4003e@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: From: Adam Raizen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3063669 X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen la pycyn. cusku di'e > Further, the first place of {bapli} is a force (given as a {ka}, i.e. {du'u > ce'u}!), not an event. But the place structure was written by lojbab, who has a different idea of what a 'ka' is. I think that we can safely say that in "normal" lojban ;-) the first place is a 'nu' (or whatever you decide to put in 'mukti', 'rinka', etc.) mu'o mi'e .adam.