From lee@piclab.com Mon Apr 29 14:20:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lee@piclab.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 21:20:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 77458 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 21:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 21:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sanantonio.piclab.com) (66.216.68.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 21:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 13870 invoked by uid 502); 29 Apr 2002 21:13:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:13:20 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the logic behind Lojban's sound system? Message-ID: <20020429211320.GA13820@piclab.com> References: <02042922572600.01165@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <02042922572600.01165@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-URL: http://www.piclab.com/lee/ From: Lee Daniel Crocker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1436760 X-Yahoo-Profile: bowtie95841 > > #>The phonology of /'/ and /@/, where /@/ = buffer vowel is so stupid > > #>-- so unlike anything in natlangs -- that it is simply indefensible. > > I don't know about that. Colloquial Turkish uses a short "i" (that's an > English "i", not a Lojban "i"!) or occasionally "ü" to buffer foreign words, > e.g. "film" is often pronounced "filim" and "studyo", "sütüdyo". Totally off-topic, but possibly amusing: Matt Groening's animated show "Futurama" recently did a spoof of the Japanese show "Iron Chef", in which the ingredient for the contest was Soylent Green, which they rendered as "soyurentu guriinu", which I thought was pretty linguistically savvy for a TV show (and funny). -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC