From a-rosta@alphaphe.com Mon Apr 29 14:40:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a-rosta@alphaphe.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 21:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 96318 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.alphaphe.net) (217.33.150.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 21:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 405 invoked by uid 101); 29 Apr 2002 21:40:33 -0000 Received: from host62-7-158-185.webport.bt.net (HELO oemcomputer) (62.7.158.185) by smtp.alphaphe.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 21:40:33 -0000 To: "lojban" Subject: RE: [lojban] What's the logic behind Lojban's sound system? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02042922572600.01165@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-EDATA: smtp.alphaphe.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AlphaPhe.Net (www.alphaphe.net) From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110020381 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Robin.tr: > On Monday 29 April 2002 18:44, And Rosta wrote: > > > #>The phonology of /'/ and /@/, where /@/ = buffer vowel is so stupid > > #>-- so unlike anything in natlangs -- that it is simply indefensible. > > I don't know about that. Colloquial Turkish uses a short "i" (that's an > English "i", not a Lojban "i"!) or occasionally "ü" to buffer foreign words, > e.g. "film" is often pronounced "filim" and "studyo", "sütüdyo". The thing I consider stupid is the definition of their realizations as "none of the above". The notion of epenthetic vowels is a perfectly natural one, which I'm all in favour of. --And.