From a-rosta@alphaphe.com Mon Apr 29 16:16:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a-rosta@alphaphe.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 23:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 96997 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 22:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 22:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.alphaphe.net) (217.33.150.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 22:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5716 invoked by uid 101); 29 Apr 2002 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from host213-1-38-178.webport.bt.net (HELO oemcomputer) (213.1.38.178) by smtp.alphaphe.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 22:19:25 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] So you think you're logical? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020428204219.GD28651@digitalkingdom.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-EDATA: smtp.alphaphe.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AlphaPhe.Net (www.alphaphe.net) From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110020381 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Robin.ca: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:16:02PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > Jorge: > > > That's how a lojbanist would read it. Would we get a higher > > > percenatge of right answers? > > > > Yes, if you mean actual Lojbanists, since we self-select mainly on > > grounds of our interest in logic. > > Except that it has been shown that formal logical training doesn't help. Yes, I noted that with interest. But I wonder if "formal logical training in" is the same as "interest in" (meaning the kind of interest that Lojbanists have). I think some others have already mentioned they got 4/4, as did I, which didn't surprise me (-- I've done Wason tests before along with a roomful of people cleverer than me but differently-minded; they got them wrong & I got them right). (I got my wife to do it, since she's always telling me she's 100 times more logical than me; she got 0 out of 4, which delighted but did not surprise me.) At any rate, to repeat the point I'm trying to make, it seems to me that there really is such a thing as 'logicality of mind' in some narrow sense related to abstract reasoning of certain kinds, and that this mental quirk is probably more prevalent among Lojbanists than among the population at large. If one really wanted to test this, one could get a load of Lojbanists to do the Wason test. Indeed, I invite people to send me their results (offlist), if they want me to compile statistics. --And.