From pycyn@aol.com Mon Apr 29 17:51:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 345 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 00:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 00:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 00:51:10 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.17d.7961f69 (2616) for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17d.7961f69.29ff446a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:50:50 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the logic behind Lojban's sound system? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17d.7961f69.29ff446a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_17d.7961f69.29ff446a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/29/2002 6:42:21 PM Central Daylight Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: > ' does not mean 'no other consonant', it means [T] or [h]. or any other unvoiced consonant that cannot be confused with normal Lojban consonants. It is hard to think of what these might be, but if you come up with one, it is legal (more so, indeed, than /h/, which regularly collapses to /x/ (well, actually the other way round, but confusion none the less)). 2.3 (31) robin tr: Hoy! As a speaker of a dialect that uses syllabic rs (retroflexed schwas) all over the place, I object to "goddam." They're much prettier than pharyngealized vowels used by those with "r-less" dialects -- and can even be thought of as rs! (And they don't trigger my gag reflex/) --part1_17d.7961f69.29ff446a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/29/2002 6:42:21 PM Central Daylight Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes:


' does not mean 'no other consonant', it means [T] or [h].


or any other unvoiced consonant that cannot be confused with normal Lojban consonants.  It is hard to think of what these might be, but if you come up with one, it is legal (more so, indeed, than /h/, which regularly collapses to /x/ (well, actually the other way round, but confusion none the less)). 2.3 (31)

robin tr:
<Of course Turks would have as much difficulty as omst of us do with those
goddam syllabic "r"s!>

Hoy! As a speaker of a dialect that uses syllabic rs (retroflexed schwas) all over the place, I object to "goddam."  They're much prettier than pharyngealized vowels used by those with "r-less" dialects -- and can even be thought of as rs! (And they don't trigger my gag reflex/)

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