From mcslason@adelphia.net Sat May 11 10:16:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcslason@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 17:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24166 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 17:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 17:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 17:16:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2002 17:16:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:16:19 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Self Segregation Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mcslason" X-Originating-IP: 24.48.241.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112761197 X-Yahoo-Profile: mcslason Hello group! This is my first post. I have been studying Lojban, and I was wondering if someone could clarify something for me. As I understand it, Lojban self-segregates into cmavo, brivla and cmene based on the pattern of stresses, consonant clusters, pauses, consonant- or vowel- finalness and syllable count (for brivla, n > 1). Thus in the sentence fragment "... BAcru le ..." we know that "bacru" is the gismu and "le" is the cmavo because stress falls on "ba" and the next syllable contains a consonant cluster and thus must be the final syllable of the word containing "ba." What I don't understand at this point is how the language disambiguates longer brivla which start with a cmavo-look-alike followed immediately by a legal initial consonant cluster. Pulled from the current lujvo list, consider: [1] (brivla) backemselRERkru ?= (cmavo) ba + (brivla) ckemselRERkru [2] (brivla) dicka'uDENmi "electrically negative" ?= (cmavo) di + (brivla) cka'uDENmi [3] (brivla) guSMINra ?= (cmavo) gu + (brivla) SMINra There are many more examples. Considering [3], what is to prevent me from analyzing "gusminra" as cmavo "gu" followed by hypothetical brivla "sminru"? Note that "sminru": - ends in a vowel; - contain a consonant pair in the first five letters; - is stressed on the next-to-the-last (penultimate) syllable; thus meeting all the requirements for a brivla. I am sure it is I who is missing something here; I just can't figure out what. Thanks for your time :-) --- Mike