From jcowan@reutershealth.com Sat May 11 14:28:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 21:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 52927 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 21:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 21:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 21:28:55 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09995 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205112128.RAA09995@mail.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 11 May 2002 17:28:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Self Segregation To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:28:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "mcslason" at May 11, 2002 05:16:19 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan mcslason scripsit: > What I don't understand at this point is how the language > disambiguates longer brivla which start with a cmavo-look-alike > followed immediately by a legal initial consonant cluster. The rules are that if a cmavo could fall off a lujvo and leave a gismu or another lujvo, then that lujvo is illegal. But if what is left would be a fu'ivla, then the lujvo is valid and the fu'ivla is illegal. These rules are called the tosmabru and slinku'i rules respectively, for historical reasons (don't try to analyze the words). > Pulled from the current lujvo list, consider: > > [1] (brivla) backemselRERkru ?= (cmavo) ba + (brivla) ckemselRERkru "Ckemselrerkru" can't be a lujvo (it would break up as "cke-mse-lre-r-kru" which is impossible), so it would have to be a fu'ivla, and is banned by the slinku'i rule. Consequently, "backemselrerku" is a valid lujvo. All the others are valid for the same reason. -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_