From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Jun 02 09:20:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 16:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 31126 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.213]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020602162052.YWAT4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org>; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:20:52 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020602121344.03818a60@digitalkingdom.org> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:21:02 -0400 To: "sklyanin" Subject: Re: [lojban] mansa Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 03:15 PM 6/2/02 +0000, you wrote: >I have a question about the definition of {mansa}: > >mansa satisfy > x1 satisfies evaluator x2 in property (ka)/state x3 > >Is the "evaluator" x1 here a person performing a judgment >or a condition like in "the variable X satisfies the equation Y"? > >If x1 can be only a person what can we use in the latter example: >{mapti} (match) or {cipra} (test)? I would use mapti for the equation example. The words are all related, though. Given a situation or property, you might want to test (cipra) whether something matches (mapti) that situation or property, such as the variable X in your example. mansa allows for the fact that outside of mathematics, the minimal standard for passing or mapti-ing a test is at the discrimination of the person evaluating the test. lojbab