From phma@webjockey.net Mon Jun 17 07:54:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 14:54:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 31770 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 14:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 14:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 14:54:46 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7DBD93C480; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "Newton, Philip" , "'lojban@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: le liste be ro gugde Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:54:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02061710544212.02401@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Monday 17 June 2002 05:26, Newton, Philip wrote: li'o > And I must say I'm a bit confused by the nomenclature of countries which > have gismu associated with them... some where translated as "le gismu", > some as "la rafgug", and some with variations on their national or English > names. (There were also a couple of gismu which I didn't recognise -- > experimental country-name gismu?) > > These were named with country gismu: > > aq 1 le dzipo > > ar 3 le gento > > au 3 le sralo > > ca 3 le kadno > > cn 3 le jungo > > eg 3 le misro > > es 2 le spano > > gr 2 le xelso > > in 3 le xindo > > jo 3 le jordo > > jp 3 le ponjo > > ru 2 le rusko > > sa 3 le sadjo > > ua 3 le vukro > > And a couple of double-gismu names: > > gb 1 le banli brito > > pf 1 le fraso polno > > su 2 le purci softo > > These were named like "rafgug": > > fr 2 la fasygug > > id 3 la bindygug > > mx 3 la mexygug > > us 4 la mergug > > These were named with different names, generally based on the name of the > country in its own language or in English (with my gismu suggestions in > brackets; they may be wrong as the gismu may be a bit more general than > just one country). (Sometimes my gismu was given as an alternative in a > commented-out line.) > > > bd 1 la banglaDEC [bengo] > > br 3 la brazil [brazo] > > de 2 la daitclant [dotco] > > #de 2 la dotygug > > #de 2 le dotco > > #dz 1 le .aljeri > > dz 1 la djaZAIR [jerxo] > > #id 3 le bindo > > il 3 la .isra,EL [xebro] > > iq 1 la .irak [rakso] > > lb 3 la LEbanon [lubno] > > ly 1 la libias [libjo] > > ma 1 la magreb [morko] > > my 3 la melaium [meljo] > > pk 3 la PAkistan [kisto] > > #pk 3 le kisto > > pt 2 la portuGAL [porto] > > sy 1 la .aCUR [sirxo] > > uk 3 la jonsi'u noltruje'a [brito] > > #uk 3 le brito > > And finally, the two gismu I didn't recognise: > > nz 3 le nuzlo > > se 2 le zvero > > #se 2 la zverig > > Should those country names be made uniform? That is, make them all "le > gismu", all "la rafgug", or all "la kantrineim"? Or was the choice of form > deliberate in each case? Generally, they should be cmene, whether rafygug or kantrineim. The gismu {brito} means "British", not "Britain", though Britain is of course British, so people sometimes use gismu as country names. Some gismu I forgot (e.g. jerxo). phma