From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Mon Jun 17 18:34:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 01:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 53269 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 01:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 01:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bodhi.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.253) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 01:34:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (bodhi.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.253]) by bodhi.math.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07407 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: To: Subject: Re: [lojban] le liste be ro gugde In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Carter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jorge Llambias wrote: > >fk 1 la malvinas > very good :) I wish the Lojban community could stick to linguistics and make choices such as this on the basis of some authoritative procedure. I was motivated to spend a little time digging for such an authoritative list somewhere on the web. I think the most authoritative source is probably http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html which refers to the "Falkland Islands (Malvinas)". United Nations documents and press releases make the same parenthesized reference; see http://www.un.org/search/ (for "Falkland Islands", 99 hits). So unless someone wants parentheses in the Lojban word, we're not going to get any satisfactory guidance from authoritative sources. If you would ask the people on the ground there what name they want, I think 99% of them would choose the Anglicized version, and I think the Argentines would have to agree, however much they might prefer that their 1828 settlement had been the one to continue to the present day, rather than the 1833 British settlement, or extinct prior settlements by France (1764), Britain (1765), or Spain (bought out France in 1766). For these dates, see a seemingly pretty unbiased account of the history at http://www.yendor.com/vanished/falklands-war.html I suggest that "what the locals call themselves" is the appropriate second choice when authoritative guidance is lacking or unsatisfactory. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)