From robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR Thu Jul 04 14:20:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 21:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 71409 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 21:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 21:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 21:20:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17QE1o-0007RF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:20:40 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QE1j-0007Qy-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:20:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:20:33 z (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QE1g-0007Qp-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:20:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F280512D13 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:20:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp20.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.22]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6863212ADB for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:20:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3D24E657.8090106@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 00:20:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020610 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, tr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] pro-sumti question References: <20020704154242.A79368@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 X-archive-position: 120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810606 X-Yahoo-Profile: digambaranath Jordan DeLong wrote: >This is bullshit. "*le* remei" can't refer to a set no matter what x1 >of remei is. le == individual, le'i == set, lei == mass. > > Now that's interesting. "remei" means "is a pair", so "le remei" means "that which I call a pair". I don't see a problem here. The "individuality" of "le" is, I think, in the eye of the observer - by using "le remei", I convey that I am thinking of the pair as an entity , which is surely what is called for here. robin.tr -- "We're clouds over the sea, or flecks of matter in the ocean when the ocean seems lit from within. I know I'm drunk when I start this ocean talk." - Rumi Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara 06533 http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin