From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jul 04 14:37:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 21:37:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 55908 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 21:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 21:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 21:37:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17QEHj-0007So-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:37:07 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QEHh-0007SX-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:37:05 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:37:02 z (PDT) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net ([68.1.17.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QEHd-0007SH-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:37:02 -0700 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.205.55]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020704211943.YFGY29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:19:43 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020704170215.031deb30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:12:44 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] pro-sumti question In-Reply-To: <0207031322060D.02128@neofelis> References: <20020702202324.A65525@allusion.net> <20020702202324.A65525@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Nora LeChevalier From: Nora LeChevalier Reply-To: noras@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out At 01:22 PM 7/3/02 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Tuesday 02 July 2002 21:23, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > If I say > > > > le gerku cu jersi le mlatu > > cu tatpi binxo > > > > What can I use for ? I don't think "rera" or "reri" is quite > > right... "ri .e ra" is a little bit lame, but the only thing I can > > think of. Are there cmavo for this that I dunno about? Having read through the several replies, I have yet to see the following points raised: 1. on "ri .e ra": My understanding is that "ri" would refer back to the last sumti, which is the cat. Then, "ra" would refer back to the next-to-last sumti - the first being "ri", which is NOT permanently assigned, and so is available as a referent. This makes "ra" refer again to the cat. You could instead (though I don't recommend it) use "ri .e ru" or "ra .e ra". 2. What I'd probably do is use "gy. .e my.". 3. You always, of course, have the option (shorter than some of the alternatives proposed) of using "le gerku .e le mlatu". Was is pycyn. who once pointed out that repetition is also a form of reference (of course, when he said it, it was witty). mi'e noras.