From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jul 04 15:07:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 22:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3494 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17QElA-0007WC-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:07:32 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QEl7-0007Vv-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:07:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:07:27 z (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QEl4-0007Vm-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:07:26 -0700 Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g64MCLd80542 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:12:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:12:21 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] pro-sumti question Message-ID: <20020704171221.A80359@allusion.net> References: <20020702202324.A65525@allusion.net> <20020702202324.A65525@allusion.net> <0207031322060D.02128@neofelis> <5.1.0.14.0.20020704170215.031deb30@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020704170215.031deb30@pop.east.cox.net>; from noras@lojban.org on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:12:44PM -0400 X-archive-position: 122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:12:44PM -0400, Nora LeChevalier wrote: > At 01:22 PM 7/3/02 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >On Tuesday 02 July 2002 21:23, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > > If I say > > > > > > le gerku cu jersi le mlatu > > > cu tatpi binxo > > > > > > What can I use for ? I don't think "rera" or "reri" is quite > > > right... "ri .e ra" is a little bit lame, but the only thing I can > > > think of. Are there cmavo for this that I dunno about? >=20 > Having read through the several replies, I have yet to see the following= =20 > points raised: >=20 > 1. on "ri .e ra": My understanding is that "ri" would refer back to the= =20 > last sumti, which is the cat. Then, "ra" would refer back to the=20 > next-to-last sumti - the first being "ri", which is NOT permanently=20 > assigned, and so is available as a referent. This makes "ra" refer again= =20 > to the cat. You could instead (though I don't recommend it) use "ri .e r= u"=20 > or "ra .e ra". IIRC, ri, ra and ru skip sumti of: ri ra ru ko'[aeiou] mi do ti ta tu ... Additionally, "ra" !=3D "rixire". ra just refers to a further-than-last sumti, not the next to last. I think re .e ra works, but it's still less desirable than using mei to talk about the pair of sumti. --=20 Jordan DeLong fracture@allusion.net --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj0kyEQACgkQDrrilS51AZ9v7QCgnCZjgfsYGa7OxrhFsJUv34Rj EK0An3ORgWLJTO4t8YMabcRr/vZ2bcYm =c3vA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--