From pycyn@aol.com Sun Jul 21 14:08:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 21:08:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 92948 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 21:08:06 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 3.f8.1eacf512 (4584) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:07:59 EDT Subject: RE: bancu To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.1eacf512.2a6c7caf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_f8.1eacf512.2a6c7caf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The note on the old gi'uste: << [on the other side of a bound, but not necessarily directly 'across' nor at the shortest plausible distance (per ragve); also not limited to position in space]; (cf. dukse, ragve, zmadu, kuspe) >> which suggests that the "exceeds" reading is not the primary one, only the most metaphorical, and the primary sense is "across the border from," without saying where that takes you (from Missouri, for example, there are half-a-dozen states to be, and I expect other places are worse). Malsomethingorother? The interesting question is how x4 got in there and what it is sugpposed to mean in the literal cases. --part1_f8.1eacf512.2a6c7caf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The note on the old gi'uste:
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[on the other side of a bound, but not necessarily directly 'across' nor at the shortest plausible distance (per ragve); also not limited to position in space]; (cf. dukse, ragve, zmadu, kuspe)
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which suggests that the "exceeds" reading is not the primary one, only the most metaphorical, and the primary sense is "across the border from," without saying where that takes you (from Missouri, for example, there are half-a-dozen states to be, and I expect other places are worse).  Malsomethingorother?

The interesting question is how x4 got in there and what it is sugpposed to mean in the literal cases. --part1_f8.1eacf512.2a6c7caf_boundary--