From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Jul 23 00:05:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 07:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3730 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 07:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 07:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao01.cox.net) (68.1.17.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 07:05:44 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020723070539.MQPB29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:05:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:03:32 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_79391418==_" From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab --=====================_79391418==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:55 PM 5/26/02 +0000, jfkominek wrote: >--- In lojban@y..., Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group >wrote: > > LogFest concluded with the departure of Nick Nicholas at 830 this > > evening. Unlike previous years, we already have draft minutes of the > > meeting, which I hope to post within a few days to members, and perhaps to > > the list (they will eventually go on the Lojban web page). > >Will we be able to expect the 2001 minutes to be posted before >the 2002 LogFest? (And while I'm pesterting, how about 2000 and >1999?) Attached are the current minutes. I'll have Robin put the prior minutes up on the website, but I'm not sure we'll have that before LogFest. Here is the official meeting announcement for LogFest (which is this weekend). Any non-members who are planning on coming and haven't told me: you are most certainly welcome, but I would like to know you are coming so we can plan. If you told me more than a month ago and haven't said anything recently, please remind me. >The 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of the LLG will be held at 1030AM >EDT on Sunday July 28, 2002 at my house, 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031 >USA. There being insufficient notice as required, no bylaw changes can be >considered. > >Among agenda items will be: >Financial: >-the possible repayment of the last of the CLL printing debt to me (we're >close to being able to do so) >-decision regarding our obligation to Perry Snith who also loaned $1000 >but hasn't been in contact for several years >-any set aside for payment to the bankrupt CAIS/Ardent, to whom we owe an >undetermined amount for Internet services, but they've had the billing >screwed up for 2 years so that we haven't paid. >-whether we can find a way to reduce our costs for credit card processing, >which eats up a large portion of the book income that we sell via credit card >Policy: >-moving the various lists off yahoo (which may have been rendered moot by >Robin's mirroring, but this remains the only item that was actually >proposed in response to my call for agenda issues in May) >-Any further efforts or need for efforts with respect to The Loglan >Institute, now presided over by R McIvor, who has long been a friend of >LLG (and was at the meeting where we first voted to produce Lojban). Can >we settle any/all outstanding disputes and declare peace? Do we care? >-Presuming finances are settled, naturally, the ensuing print publication >of Nick's two books - the level 0 book and the lojban lessons. I have >estimates from one printer (Sheridan/Bookcrafters) for that publication, >and we can discuss this estimate in advance of the meeting if people who >won't be present want to do so. I don't have the numbers at my >fingertips, but, there is a base charge and then a per book cost, such >that the L0 book would likely run a couple dollars a copy in paperback, >and the lesson book around $5-6 a copy in hardbound. The requested >donation for the L0 book would presumably remain at $5; the price for the >lesson book needs to be decided, but probably needs to be around $25-30 if >we want to break even any sooner than the last book (which has taken 5 >years to pay off the debt, leaving us several thousand dollars short of >breaking even) >-ideas to improve my order fulfillment record (including possibly seeking >an order fulfillment service, that would fill our orders, typically for >dollar or two per book) >-the ever continuing debate over priorities, the dictionary, and how >lojbab should spend his Lojban time, if and when he ever has any. Any >other tasks that Lojbab can farm out >-reflecting on the latter, ways to respond to snail mail correspondence >regarding Lojban that does not give an email, given that we do not have >anything current which is fit to send out (8 year old brochures seem >passe, especially since most people who hear of us did so via the >Internet, and thus have probably seen it). Right now, such correspondence >gets filed for "someday" which means that people have not gotten response >for years. I think this needs to change, but I don't think I will >suddenly improve in this regard. Ideas welcome. >-general discussion of our various on-line activities, official and unofficial > >Anything else that people want to suggest, of course. The minutes from >last year will suggest to new members the sorts of things that get discussed. > >If you cannot be present, it is important that I get an email from you >specifying that you received this notice, and indicating any proxy for >voting that you wish to assign to anyone who will be here. Please make >this email look as formal as possible, since it is for our purposes a >legal document. PGP keys can be included for security, but are not >strictly necessary. > >We especially need to hear from Karen Stein, whose membership was put "on >probation" since we have not had a proxy from her the last couple of >years. Ethan Fremen and Guy Garnett are the other two current members who >sent no proxy last year and may be labeled as "on probation" if we don't >hear from you this year. > >For those considering a proxy: > >Members who have recently indicated intent to be here: >Nora, lojbab, John Cowan, pc, Robin Powell, Shawn Lasseter, Alex >Miles-Lasseter >Those who have more distantly indicated likeliness to be here, but have >not said anything to me in the last few months >Xod, John Hodges, Keith Lynch, PaulFrancis >Those who have given proxies indicating they won't be here: >David Crowell, David Young > >US LLG members that I have no word from >Athelstan, Dave Barton, Karen Stein, Guy Garnett, Ethan Fremen (imeme), >Mark Shoulson, Tommy Whitlock, Gary Burgess, David Twery > >NonUS LLG members (who I presume won't be here, but we would like your >proxies, and any direction on issues to be considered) >Arnt Johansen, And Rosta, Evguenie Sklyanin, Jorge, Nick Nicholas, Veijo, >Robin Turner, Ivan Derzhanski > >Non-members who have indicated intent to be here: >Adam Raizin, Allan Bailey, Olivia(?) > >I wish to acknowledge a pair of $500 donations to LLG, from pc and from >Allan Bailey, which have made it possible to consider paying off the CLL >loan and discuss new publication efforts. > >lojbab lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org --=====================_79391418==_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BOARD701.htm" October 23, 1996

August 5, 2001

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE BOARD

THE LOGICAL LANGUAGE GROUP, INC.

 

Time of meeting:  July 29, 2001 at 2:54 PM EDT.

 

Attending:

                In person:               John Cowan                            Vice President

                                                Shawn Lasseter

                                                Nora LeChevalier                 Secretary/Treasurer

                                                Robert LeChevalier              President

                                                Nick Nicholas

                                                Charles Hope (Xod)

                Not present:           John Clifford (pc)

 

Minutes from last meeting were read.

 

Keith Lynch & Worldcon will be addressed informally by John Cowan (he asked if we wanted something distributed).

 

MOTIONS

 

M-18.1    PASSED:  To retain all current officers.

 

M-18.2   PASSED:  To adjourn.

 

The meeting was adjourned at approximately 2:58 PM EDT, July 29, 2001.

 

I certify that the above motions were presented to all board members present for discussion and approval except as specifically noted, and that all motions were approved as noted.  I further certify that these minutes are an accurate representation of this meeting of the Board of Directors of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

 

 

 

Nora LeChevalier

Secretary/Treasurer

 

 

I accept the above as an accurate record of the meeting.

 

 

 

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          Signature                                  Date

 

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Minutes of the 2001 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

 

The thirteenth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was called to order on July 29, 2001 at 11:17 AM EDT.

 

Non-members in attendance at the annual meeting were:

                Robin Powell                         voted in as member during the meeting

                Charles Hope (Xod)             voted in as member during the meeting

                Olivia

 

Roll call was taken of the members.

Members attending (13) were:

                John Cowan

                John Hodges

                Shawn Lasseter

                Nora LeChevalier

                Robert (Bob) LeChevalier

                Keith Lynch

                Alex (Alexandra) Miles-Lasseter

                Nick Nicholas

                Paul Francis O’Sullivan

                Mark Shoulson

                David Twery

                Tommy Whitlock

                David Crowell

 

Members "present" (12) by proxy:

                Athelstan                              proxy to Nora LeChevalier, with instructions

                Dave Barton                          proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                Gary Burgess                        proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                John Clifford                         proxy to Nora LeChevalier

                Ivan Derzhanski                   proxy to Mark Shoulson

                Arnt Johansen                      proxy to Charles Hope (Xod)

                Jorge Llambias                      proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                And Rosta                             proxy to John Cowan

                Yevgeny Sklyanin                                proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                Robin Turner                        proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                Veijo Vilva                             proxy to Bob LeChevalier

                David Young                        proxy to Nora LeChevalier

 

Members not in attendance (5) were:

                Jake Berglund                       [Note from Secretary: Resignation received after the meeting]

                Colin Fine                              [Note from Secretary: Resignation, sent before meeting, was received after meeting.]

                Ethan Fremen

                Guy Garnett

Karen Stein

 

Roll call of members: Taken.

 

Chair turned over to Vice President, John Cowan.

 

No proper notice of meeting by Secretary/Treasurer was given (per Article 3, Section 4 of the Bylaws); therefore no bylaw amendments may be made.

 

Reading of the Minutes:     Minutes from last meeting were read and accepted.

 

Report of officers: Secretary/Treasurer, by President:

·         Organization delinquent 6-7 quarters in state sales tax

·         Book orders almost caught up

·         Other orders not done

·         Estimated 5-6 thousand in liability for balances.

·         Expenses:      CAIS (internet site) account              $800 per year

                                                                                                (although we are investigating CAIS claim we didn’t pay last year)

                                                Visa/Mastercard/Amex service          $30 per month, plus extra charges

                                                about $1500 income, $1500 expense

·         Income: net negative

                                $3000 left on book loan

                                $2600 in bank

·         Book Sales total: 360 (about 40 since last year)

 

Report of officers - President:

·         Printer settlement money received and deposited.  About 6 bad books sent out since.  Recipients have usually accepted PDF file of bad pages.

·         Yevgeny Sklyanin translating gismu into Russian.  Also maintaining index of things happening on the website.

·         Production of Dictionary:  advanced slightly.  Nick Nicholas has keyworded a large list of used lujvo.  Jay Kominek has an archive site for searching text for the usage and has set up a website supporting dictionary updating by the group.

·         Nick took on the Level 0 book task.  He has a draft level zero book, and a draft textbook/primer as an expansion of Robin Turner’s work (although it’s not to be the baseline textbook, it’s more like a Teach Yourself book); both are being reviewed.

·         On Nick’s efforts, Bob commented that we cannot publish 2 books now due to monetary considerations.

·         Robin Powell and Jay Kominek have each set up links to other sites, including Lojban Wiki (which facilitates people working together on a project).

·         A translation of Alice in Wonderland is nearly complete.  This project has used CVS (a configuration management tool) to keep track of and help resolve problems due to changes by multiple people on a project.  Nick is also using it for his books.

·         Björn Gohla has begun translating the draft level 0 book into German.

·         A Lojban phrasebook is being compiled (primarily by Pierre Abbat).

·         Pierre Abbat and others are also working on a bible translation from the original languages.

·         The Imeme offer (from Ethan Fremen and Jake Berglund) came to naught; the Board was not satisfied.

·         Robin Powell is committing to take over as administrator for the web-site; we’d been interested in looking at another option than CAIS.

·         We are also interested in other options for credit card processing.  Perhaps Pay Pal online credit or Verisign.

·         Recognition for Charles Hope (Xod) as keeping promise of speaking Lojban for the entire LogFest.

 

Report of Committees:

Level 0 package committee (1998,99: John Cowan, chairman; David Twery; Tommy Whitlock; Bob LeChevalier):  No report.

Internet site committee (1999: David Twery, Chairman; Shawn Lasseter; Nick Nicholas):  No report.

Finance (aka Poverty) Committee:  No report.

On-line ordering (1997: Mark Shoulson, chairman):  No report.

WorldCon committee (1998: Keith Lynch, chairman; David Bowen; Bob LeChevalier):  No report.

Meeting notice (1994: Bob LeChevalier and John Cowan):  No report.

Grant proposal:  (1996: Dave Barton, chairman; Dave Twery; and Bob LeChevalier): No report.

Streamlining meeting procedures (1999: John Cowan, chairman): No report.

 

Consideration of new members or removal of old members:

 

 

MOVED:  To send notice to Colin and Karen that if they do not participate by presence or proxy at the next annual meeting they will be terminated with no further vote needed.

Motion then divided into 2 parts, one for each person:

1.       Notice to Karen – PASSED.

2.       Notice to Colin – PASSED.

 

MOVED:  To offer membership to Charles Hope (Xod). – PASSED.

 

 

Election of Board of Directors:

 

Current Board includes John Cowan, Shawn Lasseter, Bob LeChevalier, Nora LeChevalier, Alex Miles-Lasseter and David Twery and John Clifford.  Maximum of 7 allowed.

 

Alex wishes to step down from Board.

 

MOVED:  To elect John Clifford, John Cowan, Shawn Lasseter, Bob LeChevalier, Nora LeChevalier – PASSED as AMENDED.

FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: Offer Board membership to Nick Nichols and Charles Hope (Xod) as well – ACCEPTED.

 

MOVED:  To thank the departing Board members for their participation– PASSED by acclamation.

 

Old/Unfinished Business:

 

                MOVED:  To rescind approval in principle on the Imeme offer. – PASSED.

 

New Business:

 

MOVED:  To use these flyers [flyers created during Logfest exhibited] for distribution at World Con; Board to work out details – PASSED.

 

MOVED:  To make the flyers available, to any interested party attending a Science Fiction or related convention, for distribution, at the discretion of the Board – PASSED as AMENDED.

FRIENDLY AMENDMENT:  Also make available on Lojban web-site for people to distribute without Board approval - ACCEPTED.

 

MOVED:  To reduce dependence on the Internet – FAILED.

There was discussion on the pros and cons of Internet involvement here.  Athelstan’s position that the Internet is de-humanizing was noted.  Other members disagreed, saying that increased communication can be humanizing.  There was general consensus that we need to pay more attention to Lojbanists not on the Internet, however.

 

MOVED:  That the mailing list be compiled with all deliberate speed, and then notice sent to all members announcing the book(s) and level of activity in advance of any LK (the Lojbo Karni newsletter) – PASSED.

 

Updated report on book-writing (Level 0 and Textbook lessons) by Nick:

·         Lessons (15) completed, reviewed by some of the on-line community, then revised; there are still comments pending.  More examples and exercises added.  There is some concern about the level that the book is aimed at.  Comes to 280 pages, including vocabulary but not index nor additional exercises.

·         Level 0 package, as currently designed, contains:

o        What is Lojban / la lojban mo

o        Overview

o        Diagrammed Summary

o        Linguistic Issues (mostly response to Zwicky’s questions)

o        4 glossed texts

Does not contain mini-lesson nor FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) sections.

 

MOVED:  For informal consideration – PASSED.

 

Discussion on proposed content for Level 0 package/book ensued, resulting in possibility of Bob combining the Overview, the Zwicky answers and an essay on Lojban and linguistics research (previously written by Bob) into one section.

 

MOVED:  To make clear that Nick has full editorial discretion over the content of books on which he’s working; the Board can then decide whether to take on the actual publication as an LLG book.  – PASSED.

 

MOVED:  To have an e-mail mailing list for Lojban announcements (low volume); to also look into other mailing lists (membership, Board) – PASSED.

 

Discussion here on tracking Grammar change proposals.  Proposal was to formalize the process that John Clifford has been doing with the “record” discussions, with rigid format record with a place for no-approval suggestions.  It was brought up that sometimes discussions start up on points that have previously been well-discussed and decided on, but that those involved in the current discussions did not see.

 

MOVED:  That the Board will institute some system, on and off the internet, of permanently documenting discussion, decisions, and proposals for change, so that they are available to interested parties without the need to rediscuss. – PASSED.

 

MOVED:  That LLG ask John Clifford to write a draft work dealing with “Lojban and logic”, in the sense of addressing problems of Lojban (things not decided, or things not appropriate level for the Reference Grammar) at a level not tutorial, and which fills in gaps in the Reference Grammar that haven’t been defined.  – PASSED.

This followed discussion on a book on “Lojban and Logic”, and disagreement over what this might mean.

During this discussion, Mark Shoulson leaves, proxy to Nick for himself and Ivan.

Also, Shawn leaves, proxy to Alex.

 

MOVED:  That a complete logical specification of the language be written and submitted to the Board – WITHDRAWN.

 

Bob LeChevalier wants it noted that the Baseline has begun on some parts of the language, but that the 5-years of the complete baseline does not begin until we have the real Dictionary, real Textbook and Reference Grammar (unless the organization votes otherwise).

 

                MOVED:  To thank Nick for his work on the level 0 package book and the lesson revisions – PASSED.

 

Sense of organization was that we might want to consider bundling Nick’s work into the real Textbook.

 

Action item proposed by Bob:  Add to the Web page our approval (already voted on last meeting) of Lojban as a pivot language for European patent system.  Charles Hope (Xod) and Robin agreed to do this.

 

                MOVED:  To thank Robin Turner for his work on the lessons.  – PASSED.

 

 

MOVED:  To adjourn meeting. - PASSED.

 

The 13th Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was adjourned at approximately 2:45 PM EDT.

 

I certify that the above motions were presented to all members present for discussion and approval, and that all motions were approved as noted.  I further certify that these minutes are an accurate representation of the thirteenth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

 

 

Nora LeChevalier

Secretary/Treasurer

 

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