From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jul 23 13:56:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 20:56:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 84785 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17X6hU-0000oY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:08 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17X6hT-0000oH-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17X6hP-0000o8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:03 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results Message-ID: <20020723205603.GP18580@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 10:39:56AM -0600, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:03:32AM -0400, Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group wrote: > > Attached are the current minutes. I'll have Robin put the prior > > minutes up on the website, but I'm not sure we'll have that before > > LogFest. > > > >-moving the various lists off yahoo (which may have been rendered > > >moot by Robin's mirroring, but this remains the only item that was > > >actually proposed in response to my call for agenda issues in May) > > I must've missed that. I'd like to see the delegating of work > discussed at Logfest. (Not that I'll be there.) In particular, it > seems worth noting that projects like, say, the dictionary havn't > really moved anywhere in the last, what, 9 years? Certainly there are > extenuating circumstances as to why the person(s) currently working on > it havn't produced anything, but it would be nice if the members would > at least discuss the possibility of farming out some of these projects > (like the dictionary) to parties who have demonstrated that they can > get something accomplished on them. (Thus giving the newly responsible > parties some degree of official backing in their labors, and hopefully > encouraging them enough to complete the task.) Seconded, and I nomite Jay. 8) > > >-Presuming finances are settled, naturally, the ensuing print > > >publication of Nick's two books - the level 0 book and the lojban > > >lessons. I have estimates from one printer (Sheridan/Bookcrafters) > > >for that publication, and we can discuss this estimate in advance > > >of the meeting if people who won't be present want to do so. I > > >don't have the numbers at my fingertips, but, there is a base > > >charge and then a per book cost, such that the L0 book would likely > > >run a couple dollars a copy in paperback, and the lesson book > > >around $5-6 a copy in hardbound. The requested donation for the L0 > > >book would presumably remain at $5; the price for the lesson book > > >needs to be decided, but probably needs to be around $25-30 if we > > >want to break even any sooner than the last book (which has taken 5 > > >years to pay off the debt, leaving us several thousand dollars > > >short of breaking even) > > > >-ideas to improve my order fulfillment record (including possibly > > >seeking an order fulfillment service, that would fill our orders, > > >typically for dollar or two per book) > > How about going to Kinko's, and seeing how much they charge to print > the book? > > Then, when the LLG gets an order, they guesstimate who (from a list of > volunteers) is closest to the person ordering the text, and email the > order on to them. They go to Kinko's, or use the printer at work, or > whatever they want to do, print the thing off, get it comb bound > (either done themselves with equipment from office depot, or have > kinko's do it), and then mail it off USPS book rate. They email back > to the LLG the actual cost of getting the book sent off, and LLG sends > them those funds via, say, paypal. Parties wishing to make smallish > donations could then quote the LLG for a smaller actual cost or not > charge the LLG, etc. > > And if they don't ACK the book request within a week or something, the > LLG can inquire as to the status, if it isn't satisfied by the > response, they can then tell the person to stop trying to fufill the > order, wait a day, and then send the order out to the next person. > > > As far as fufilling orders for the CLL, again, locate a few > trustworthy volunteers. Ship them, say, 10 copies of the book. Open a > Fedex account. Give the volunteers the Fedex account number, and then, > whenever you receive an order, pick the nearest person, and give them > the address to ship the book to. For some people, this would be a > trivial amount of work. (My place of work has a daily pickup from > Fedex. I could keep a stack of books under my desk. I come in to work > in the morning, see an email from Lojbab telling me that I need to > mail a copy out to joe blow. I walk down to the shipping room with a > copy, toss it in one of the many free boxes Fedex supplies us with, > fill out the Fedex form with the account number on it, and leave it in > the pickup box. That would be significantly faster turn around time > than the current scheme, I suspect. I'm also probably not the only > person who works at a place with a Fedex pickup.) All seems very reasonable to me. > > >-reflecting on the latter, ways to respond to snail mail > > >correspondence regarding Lojban that does not give an email, given > > >that we do not have anything current which is fit to send out (8 > > >year old brochures seem passe, especially since most people who > > >hear of us did so via the Internet, and thus have probably seen > > >it). Right now, such correspondence gets filed for "someday" which > > >means that people have not gotten response for years. I think this > > >needs to change, but I don't think I will suddenly improve in this > > >regard. Ideas welcome. > > Get a list of local volunteers, who, again, will print off some stuff, > and mail it back to the person, including their own snail mail > address, and a note saying that they're willing to answer questions, > or correspond with the person in/about Lojban via snailmail. Then all > the LLG needs to do is email off the person's snailmail address, and a > rough description of what the person was requesting. > > (And possibly authorize such volunteers to use LLG letterhead.) All good. > >From the minutes: > > > MOVED: To make the flyers available, to any interested party > > attending a Science Fiction or related convention, for distribution, > > at the discretion of the Board - PASSED as AMENDED. > > http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/lojban/lojbanbrochure.pdf > > I accept corrections and comments on how the information density can > be increased. Looks excellent! -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/