From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Wed Jul 24 23:15:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 06:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 69205 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 06:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 06:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta11n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.1.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 06:15:42 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (213.3.157.149) by mta11n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.5.026) id 3D3E9DD9000201D8 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:15:40 +0200 Message-ID: <005f01c233a2$d5f64400$959d03d5@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724122649.032e7ec0@pop.east.cox.net> <018e01c23350$150a6c00$73a1ca3e@oemcomputer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724195628.032f4c80@pop.east.cox.net> <20020724201901.A1531@miranda.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] to-do list (was Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:14:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81437350 X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke Jay: > > > You have to understand that many people don't want to install ANY software > > downloaded from the net. > > I have, at no point, ever suggested doing this as anything except a web > based system. Anything beyond that would be entirely optional on the user's > part. For me, the problem is that anything Internet-based, you have to be connected for (=$$+++) ; which is why, in my previous posts, I only considered using CVS with some sort of formatter. > > I have some vague idea how to design software appropriate for a given > target audience. I've been doing it for quite awhile, now. I'm able to > eat and putz about on the Internet because I'm paid to develop > software. I'm told I'm fairly good at it. So could we maybe at least > stop with the concerns that all the evil, horrible, mean UNIX-using > Lojbanists are incapable of making something usable by plebes? Its > tiresomeg, and insulting. No, Unix users in general have spent so much time learning by hacking that they have never found a use for *real* manuals ; the counterpart of this is that they frequently design extremely user-friendly software (which, having no *manual* is in appearance too complicated) > > But for me also it is simply learning curve. Time spent learning news > > software cuts into the time I can spend doing what I do now, and I don't > > have enough time for THAT. > > Most people can use their web browser and fill out forms. My internet connexion allows me to do this, but I'd really rather not... > (And, since you'll likely not read the URLs I've posted above, I'll simply > readdress the concern you had last time, wherein you said that you normally > did a few hundred words at a time, and wouldn't want to deal with a form > each time. (How many times have you done a block of a few hundred words, by > the way? There are only 1350 some odd gismu. And what are you doing with > them?) I can easily set something up so that people who want to make a > bulk contribution can write themselves up a specially formatted text file > and upload that to the web site. Why, hypothetically, it could even > read stupid fixed column width ACII files.)] Ahah, which all goes to show that I will be able to save my Internet bill (not to mention the fact that I'll be moving into a flat where I'll have *no* connexion whatsoever) Greg