From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jul 25 11:29:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 18:29:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18976 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 18:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 18:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 18:29:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17XnMX-0004MM-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:21 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17XnMK-0004M5-00; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:08 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17XnMG-0004Lw-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:04 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results Message-ID: <20020725182904.GC17369@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20020723221537.B26815@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723221537.B26815@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724155616.032ea010@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020725050104.00aac9d0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725050104.00aac9d0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 05:21:17AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 08:35 PM 7/24/02 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:21:58PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > > > Explicit verbal support of lojbanic projects. In public. I think it > > would count for a lot. > > I'll try. Thank you. I appreciate that. > > > >I'm also very happy with what I've seen so far of Jay's work on > > > >dictionary tools, discouraged though he may be. > > > > > > I'm happy that he is doing something, even if I have no clear idea > > > on what he is doing or has done. > > > >He's writing software to allow collaborative work on the dictionary > >through a web form. This has been said several times in this thread. > > Yes. And I know what the words mean. But I don't know how it gets a > dictionary done. That will take people USING the web forms, and then > it will take some way to get from data base to printed dictionary. I'm > sure each of these can happen. I'm not sure either WILL happen. I will personally handle the second part. I will personally be actively involved in the first part. More, I can't say. > > > >No kidding. Sorry, lojbab, but I'm not going to give money to > > > >cover expenses incurred by the organization years before I even > > > >heard of it. > > > > > > Umm, which expenses are those? The cost of publishing CLL > > > ($17,500) > > > >That's the one. > > > > > So LLG needs to cover no old expenses. > > > >This directly contradicts things you've said earlier. In fact, it > >derictly contradicts the rest of the paragraph (the LLG still owes > >you money, doesn't it?). > > I said that I think we now have enough to pay off that loan. Oh, cool. > > > Meanwhile I have to admit that being responsible ONLY for business > > > matters, while keeping the organization running, quite thoroughly > > > saps my motivation to do other stuff that needs to be done and > > > that I want to do. > > > >I am honestly deeply sorry to hear that. > > It's been said at many LogFests. But the bottom line is that the > grunge work has to be done by someone. Would you even accept a volunteer to take that over at this point? Would it even be *possible* for someone else to do it? > >If, for example, you photocopied all the various address sheets and > >handed out copies, nothing would be lost if people didn't work on > >them, except a few minutes to photocopy. > > And the money for the photocopying. I am REALLY chinzy with LLG money. I'll give you the freaking photocopy money. Yeesh. > > > And every year the membership has appointed individuals and > > > committees who have volunteered to do this and that, and every > > > single committee has been forgotten within a month of LogFest, > > > seldom even communicating once, usually leaving me to pick up the > > > pieces when I prepare for LogFest the following year. > > > >Given that the minutes were *just* posted, and you have not, as far > >as I know, sent out any reminders, I can't see why you're surprised. > > The point of the committee chairpersons is that they were supposed to > do the coordination and contacting so it wasn't dependent on me and > Nora. If a committee chairman needs to be reminded, no work has been > saved. I disagree. An e-mail once to all committee members a month takes <1 minute of your time. This might lead to many more than 1 minutes of work getting done. > >I don't think a monthly e-mail to all comittee heads asking for > >status would be a hard thing. I, personally, have complete forgot > >what committees I might or might not be on. > > So have I. The committees are the members delegating things away from > me so I DON'T worry about them. > > Responsibility tends to hang heavy on me, as you may have noticed. %^) Heh. Fair enough. I, personally, am putting anything I volunteer for this year in my Visor. I expect that one of these things will be volunteering to send out reminder e-mails to the committee leaders once a month. 8) And while I'm at it, I want to make public that I'm not going to volunteer for anything more until I've memorized at least 80% of the base vocab (I'm at 42%). Just wanted to get that right out of the way; word memorization is my lojbanic priority. > Be that as it may, I think this will be more productive and positive > than the last LogFest. Maybe more so with some of the stuff gotten > off our chests in advance. And no exploding pipes or computers. 8) Yeah, I think this discussion will help. -robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/