From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Mon Jul 29 12:41:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 19:41:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 90984 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta3n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.1.212) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (213.3.157.110) by mta3n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.5.026) id 3D3D0B8D000D58B1 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:41:06 +0200 Message-ID: <00de01c23738$00a36640$4a9cca3e@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" References: <9F74028A-A242-11D6-9A87-000393629ED4@uic.edu><005f01c2365a$8e7230c0$b8a103d5@oemcomputer><1027932082.31650.72.camel@bapli> <00b701c23710$8cc1a2e0$4a9cca3e@oemcomputer> <1027962159.31650.77.camel@bapli> Subject: Re: [lojban] senva Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:41:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81437350 X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke > > > > Do you think it's possible to get a non-lojbanist to help you with the > > > gismu translation? I was thinking of paying someone here for a few hours > > > to work on it. (As yet I don't have a very specific person in mind). > > > > For a start, *I* charge SFr30.- (about US$20.-) an hour/page for > > translation. I'm not *really* willing to pay anyone that amount for > > something which I'll probably have to correct - and possibly re-translate - > > myself. > > What makes you think that a volunteer will necessarily do a better job > than someone who's paid? Well, I would inspect most of whatever anybody else did (well a couple dozen entries to get a feel for quality - but idealy all of it) , just to be sure, just like I'd like someone/people to make sure that I didn't get too carried away in the tedium of it. Aside from that, I don't believe a non-lojbanist would understand the broadness of semantic concept which is inherent to a definition (not without some vague introduction to lojban, place-structure etc.) So, paid or unpaid, I definately think that a lojbanist would do better than a non-lojbanist. I also don't think anyone who is not interested in lojban would go to the trouble of -working with French-English dictionary, French language dictionary, French encyclopaedic dictionary, spanish translation of the gi'uste and etymological sources for the gismu -committing fairly frequently -knowing when they come across concepts which merit a query -understanding such comments as "heart : shape/emotional metaphors are NOT culturally neutral" > > Well I would be willing to donate about 400 EUR in this way. Hey, you can pay *me* ;-). BTW, which part of South Africa are you from?? mu'omi'e greg.