From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Jul 30 04:51:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 11:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14490 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 11:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 11:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2) (65.246.141.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 11:51:26 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2 (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA21521; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207301201.IAA21521@mail2> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: Dictionary -- Unicode To: pycyn@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: from "pycyn@aol.com" at Jul 29, 2002 07:44:27 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan pycyn@aol.com scripsit: > But it is crucial to the two pronunciations being in the same phoneme that > they are predictable from context. Not so. Contextual variation is the most common kind of allophony, but free variation is also included, and is the case here. You are free to pronounce Lojban "n" with a dental, alveolar, or velar realization wherever you like. If it pleases you to pronounce "nanmu" as ngangmu, you are completely correct. So it may be conventional (for some) to pronounce UAcintyn with the first /n/ as [eng] and the second as [n], but it is neither required nor forbidden. See the normative table on p. 30 of the Red Book. -- One art / There is John Cowan No less / No more http://www.reutershealth.com All things / To do http://www.ccil.org/~cowan With sparks / Galore -- Douglas Hofstadter