From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Jul 30 22:17:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 05:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 59425 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 05:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 05:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 05:17:54 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020731051747.WUIQ1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730154447.00ab8170@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:05:56 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com,llg-members@yahoogroups.com Subject: Report on LogFest 2002 Cc: yfnb@cox.net,dbtwery1@comcast.net,iad@MATH.BAS.BG,cqx@nefud.org, olivera@macs.biu.ac.il,araizen@newmail.net,arunaz@hotmail.com, jkominek@miranda.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_259314219==_" From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab --=====================_259314219==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed LogFest 2002 got off to an exceptionally fast start this year, with a high proportion of people arriving early enough on Friday that there was a fair amount of discussion above and beyond the typical socializing that has been more normal on Friday night. Friday out-of-town arrivals included Adam Raizin, Mark Shoulson, Allan Bailey, xod, pc, Michael and Aruna Vassar, and John Cowan to join locals Shawn and Alex Lasseter, Keith Lynch, Paul Francis O'Sullivan and Nora and myself (and our 2 kids Angela and Michael, who aided extensively as co-hosts even though their interest in Lojban is minimal). Adam and Saturday arrival Avital Oliver, both from Israel, made this the 3rd straight LogFest to have international attendance. On Saturday, Avital Oliver, Robin Powell, Gary Burgess (and his family), Tommy Whitlock, and Auxlanger Paul Bartlett came for a total of 19 language-interested attendees, and a total attendance of 25 (correcting the number I posted earlier). This is a near-record attendance for LogFest, and the record should be broken next year given preliminary statements of intent to attend. NEXT YEAR'S LOGFEST HAS ALREADY BEEN SET TO DEFAULT TO THE LAST WEEKEND IN JULY (26th-27th) so you can make your plans early if you wish to attend. This date will hold unless something specific comes up to force a change, and we are unlikely to consider any change after the start of the new year, because at least one LLG member has to set his vacation in January in order to be able to attend. It is hard to characterize what goes on at a LogFest. There are few planned activities. There is usually some amount of discussion in-language, and a lot more in English, with occasional talk in other languages (I heard Esperanto, Klingon, Russian, and Hebrew this year, and there may have been others in the various "phone games" that took place). Last year, xod spoke only Lojban for the entire LogFest; no one attempted that this year, but this may be the last year that this is true, since at least 3 attendees indicated their intent to be skilled enough to do so by next year. A couple of people this year were disappointed that there was not more all-Lojban conversation. Specific activities included a Lojban lesson taught by Mark Shoulson with kibbitzers, and several rounds of the "phone game" both orally and in writing. Nora intends to type in some of the written phone game results once she gets done with the minutes, which she is working on as I write. Aruna Vassara, a local visitor and native speaker of Russian, decided to study Lojban seriously while she was here, and impressed everyone with her ambitious attempts and her quick progress. I hope that Evgueni will be able to recruit We did not have the usual IRC chats with non-present Lojbanists (until Sunday night), perhaps because Lojban IRC activity is now such an everyday activity that people don't think of it as something special to do it at LogFest. I wish we could think of more ways to include the rest of you in LogFest activities, and ideas are welcome. One non-attendee did participate: Nick Nicholas called from Australia around midnight local time and talked to several of those present. Sunday was dominated as usual by the annual meeting of la lojbangirz. Allan Bailey, Adam Raizin, Avital Oliver, and Aruna Vassar were voted in as new members, and membership is also being offered to Jay Kominek (who did not attend), by virtue of his extensive and active participation in support of the community, to take effect upon his acceptance. Ethan Freman and Guy Garnett, who did not attend, and who have not been heard from since before the prior LogFest, will be automatically removed as members if they are not present in person or by proxy next year. Veijo and Ivan Derzhanski were the other two members not in attendance, but both have long records of considerable activity and it was noted that the call for proxies went out rather close to the meeting date. 1. Primary business discussed was the publication of Nick's two books: The "level 0 brochure" will be published upon its release for publication by Nick, using informal print-on-demand by members at their expense using Kinko or other quicky services and cheap bindings, in response to requests for information. This will be part of a set of changes to offload the support of snail mail correspondence from Lojbab to the community at large so that much more timely response can be made. There will be one or more mailing lists set up in support of this effort, and volunteers from the community will be sought once things are set up. The level 0 book will not necessarily be sent to everyone who inquires about Lojban due to cost. Someone (to be determined) will prepare something that can be put into a standard business envelope at the lowest postage rate in response to the lowest level of inquiry. Nick and Robin Turner's Lojban Lesson Book needs some final corrections that Nick plans to make in a 2 week window at the end of September. Anyone with any last minute inputs on either book needs to have sent them to Nick before then (shall we say before 20 September) to ensure that they will be considered before publication. Mark Shoulson will be investigating the costs for formal print-on-demand services with a better quality binding. Alternatively, we have a quote from a major printer (Sheridan Books/Bookcrafters) for approximately $3600 for the first 1000 copies with a good hardbound binding like that of the red book. Sheridan also offers an order-fulfillment service which I have not yet received a quote on, but at the time we published CLL it was a little more than a dollar per book. The tentative price for the book, if we use Bookcrafters, will be retail $25, or $20 direct from LLG (it is not clear which price would apply if we use an order-fulfillment service or print-on-demand. The Lesson Book will be published upon release by Nick, again expected at the end of September, as well as the repayment of approximately $1000 that will then remain as debt to me (lojbab) from the CLL printing. We are explicitly seeking (US tax-deductible) donations towards the $1000 printing loan, or towards the $3600 current estimated cost to produce the lesson book. Given the few months before publication, either or both amounts should be possible with the current size of the active community. I AM NOT YET TAKING PRE-ORDERS for the new books, only CLL book orders, donations for the LLG general fund, and donations for the two special purposes of paying off the CLL printing loan and financing the printing of the Lesson book (we need money in advance for both in order to publish). The Board would probably also consider an offer for a low interest loan to finance printing, but we would prefer donations, of course. 2. The next major topic discussed was that of "official projects", as discussed on this list over the last week. Basically, anyone will be able to apply as "project manager" to list a project on LLG web site, which will have one or more pages set aside for official projects. These will be submitted to the board. The board will either approve them as official, disapprove them or (default to) "no objection" within a few weeks after submission. If not disapproved, they will appear on the web page(s). The project manager will be responsible for giving the Board a quarterly report on the project (Robin will set it up so as to give people reminders) which the Board can use to continue or remove official status. (I expect that removal would be most unlikely as long as there remains positive activity and regular reports). I will also convert some existing projects that have been handled by LLG committees (which have been quite ineffectual in the past, which is why a lot of stuff never gets done) to this system, and I may create a suggested projects list for things that I think need doing, or even things that are ongoing without a clear project leader (thereby seeking a responsible leader so we can make the project official). All of this will open many more activities to be "official" yet carried out by the many of you who are unlikely to ever participate in a LogFest. 3. The third major topic was one of improving our order support. Many of you are aware that I've been poor to abysmal in responding to orders, sometimes taking months to get them out. Requests for things other than CLL have fared even worse, and we have not filled such orders in a couple of years - my limited back supplies of printed materials are for the most part buried under stacks of boxes of CLL, so that filling such orders is non-trivial even to find them. We'll be revising the order form to reflect this. Requests for materials which are available on the web site will be filled by "print-on-demand" by an "official project" group of interested volunteers as described above for the level 0 book and the "official projects" plans. WE ARE ESPECIALLY LOOKING FOR PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE THE US TO ASSIST IN FILLING INTERNATIONAL ORDERS. If costs are significant, we will be seeking people willing to donate those costs and/or will find ways to reimburse those costs, perhaps using PayPal. 4. The 4th major topic was proposing a method to deal with the backlog of paperwork that I (lojbab) have been failing to get done. Current plans are that Robin Powell will donate a substantial amount of money to get us a proper accounting package, and will pay for someone local to me who knows what they are doing to get the data set up and caught up to date. Probably this will be local LLG member Alex Miles-Lasseter. 5. The last major topic was raised by xod with support from Robin Powell and others. (This was a heated issue, and I am not unbiased. If I misrepresent positions, I welcome corrections. Begin mild political statement:) A significant segment of the "new wave" of Lojbanists wants to see LLG more solidly committed to having the language USED in communications rather than talked about and endlessly awaiting the unfinished dictionary and textbook in order to fully commit the baseline. Many of them perhaps see the current leadership of LLG as standing in the way of such a commitment. Speaking for the "old guard" that knows that the torch is in the process of passing on to this new wave of Lojbanists, I would like to think we are not obstructionists, though we do have an obligation to protect the interests of those Lojban supporters who are hobbyists that may not have the time, perhaps not the interest, and also perhaps not the ability, to master the language, but who still want to help. End statement.) Xod called for LLG annual meetings to be conducted entirely in Lojban starting in 2005, which of course would probably disenfranchise those LLG members who have not yet become fluent enough to participate. After considerable debate, I proposed a gradual staged transition aimed at that goal, which was approved. Starting next year, the annual meeting will be officially bilingual with "real-time" translation available in either English or Lojban from the other language. There is in additional official encouragement to use Lojban as the language of preference, without it being mandatory. The meeting minutes will be issued in both languages (xod has indicated intent to translate this year's minutes unofficially as well, with our encouragement, and I believe will be leading a project to translate Robert's Rules of Order so that we have the needed terminology and procedures for parliamentary debate and decision in Lojban - see pc's posting for some initial ideas on this). This issue will be officially revisited at the meeting each year, with the intent of moving towards a transition to full use of Lojban in all LLG business (which I would presume to be not limited to the annual meeting but to all official business year-round including those quarterly project reports from project leaders. A motion to translate all official material on the web site to Lojban as resources become available was passed). Part of this has always been intended, in that we declared years ago that following the 5 year minimum baseline, any debates and decisions as to possible changes in the language will take place in Lojban-only, and my own opinion is that this part of the transition to all-Lojban, in technical management of the language, is more important than completely losing English in conducting the everyday business of the organization (something we of course cannot do completely, since we will still have to use English in dealing with outsiders like the government). End of meeting summary. After the meeting, people started to leave over the next several hours, with pc as the last departure at 930 Monday morning, thereby ending LogFest 2002. We look forward to seeing more of you in 2003 (though we are starting to get a bit crowded for sleeping space). Attached are PRELIMINARY minutes from the official meetings. Members who attended, please check the wordings of motions, since a couple of them were uncertain in Nora's notes. Let me know of any changes soon, so that they can be corrected before Robin puts them up on the Web site with the remaining older minutes. -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org --=====================_259314219==_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BoardMeet2002.htm" Board meet 2002

7/30/02

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE BOARD

THE LOGICAL LANGUAGE GROUP, INC.

 

Time of meeting: July 29, 2002 at 2:25 PM EDT.

 

Attending:

John Clifford (pc)

John Cowan                 Vice President

Shawn Lasseter

Nora LeChevalier         Secretary/Treasurer

Robert LeChevalier      President

 

Present by proxy:

Charles Hope (Xod)     -     proxy to Nora

Nick Nicholas              -     proxy to John Clifford

 

Minutes from last meeting were read.

 

M-19.1      PASSED: To retain all current officers,

 

M-19.2      PASSED: To adjourn.

 

The meeting was adjourned at approximately 2:37 PM EDT, July 28, 2002.

 

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Minutes of the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

 

 

The fourteenth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was called to order on July 28, 2002 at 10:35 AM EDT.

 

Non-members in attendance at the annual meeting were:

            Adam Raizen                      voted in as member during the meeting

            Avital Oliver                       voted in as member during the meeting

            Allan Bailey                        voted in as member during the meeting

            Aruna Vassar                     voted in as member during the meeting

 

Roll call was taken of the members.

 

Members attending (11) were:

            Alexandra Miles-Lasseter

            Gary Burgess

            John Clifford

            John Cowan

            Keith Lynch

            Mark Shoulson

            Nora LeChevalier

            Robert LeChevalier

            Robin Powell

            Shawn Lasseter

            Paul Francis O’Sullivan

 

Members “present” (12) by proxy:

            And Rosta                    -     Proxy to Cowan

            Athelstan                      -     proxy to Nora, with instructions

            Dave Barton                 -     proxy to Bob

            David Crowell              -     proxy to Mark

            David Twery                -     proxy to Cowan

            David Young                -     Proxy to Nora

            John Hodges                -     proxy to John Clifford

            Jorge Llambias             -     proxy to Bob, with instructions

            Nick Nicholas              -     proxy to Cowan

            Robin Turner                -     proxy to Bob

            Tommy Whitlock          -     proxy to Nora

            Yevgueni Sklyanin        -     proxy to Bob

 

Members not in attendance (7 – 1 removed = 6) were:

            Arnt Johansen               -     proxy to Charles Hope, who arrived later in the meeting

            Ethan Fremen

            Charles Hope (Xod)     -     (arrived later in the meeting, after roll call)

            Guy Garnett

            Ivan Derzhanski

*          Karen Stein                  -     removed from membership

            Veijo Vilva

* = Removed per motion last meeting per motion that if they did not participate by presence or proxy at the next [2002] annual meeting they would be terminated with no further vote needed.

 

Roll call of members: Taken

23 present in person or by proxy, 6 absent. - Quorum.

 

No proper notice of meeting by Secretary/Treasurer was given (per Article 3, Section 4 of the Bylaws); therefore no bylaw amendments may be made.

 

Chair turned over to Vice President, John Cowan.

 

Reading of minutes:

            Error in print heading noted – still says “Minutes of the 1997 …” although centered first line has accurate date.  To be corrected.

 

 

Report of officers: Secretary/Treasurer, by President (Bob LeChevalier)

·        Delinquent several quarters on sales tax.

·        Book orders current for all paid orders.  Can’t do invoicing orders (many from Europe).

·        Liabilities: 

·        $5,000 – 6,000 in balances.

·        CAIS (Internet service provider) $800 per year.  CAIS has been cancelled, but unsettled accounts payable unknown because of buyout of CAIS; possibly as large $2,000 amt because of buyouts.

·        Visa/MC/Amex $30.

·        Bottom line on loan money for book printing: $3000 left on loan + 2 years interest = approximately $3,500 left to repay.  $3,600 in bank, so in theory could pay off book loan.

·        Book sales total about 380-390; 20-25 since last year.

 

            Read message from Robert A. McIvor (CEO of Loglan Institute):

“           Because of the baselining of Lojban, I do not see any likelihood of any fusion of the two groups in the short term.  Most new members we are getting are aware of Lojban, and have chosen Loglan for one reason or another.  When I get queries about the differences, I try to be quite objective, and I would hope that LLG would, in like circumstances, present Loglan as it is today, and not as it once was.

            As for long term prospects, I am not sure that either shows great promise, but I would have to concede that, as of today, Lojban has better prospects.”

 

Report of officers: President:

            Accomplished last year:

·        Nick Nicholas:  Level 0 packet/book & Lesson book close to publication quality

·        Robin Powell took over web site completely – (thanks).

Per Robin, “Co-location facility costs 25/mo – paying out of pocket”.  LLG will receipt this amount as donation.

·        Alice complete, but subject to editing.

·        Lojban Wiki healthy (the Wiki is a web page anyone edits).

·        Many un-official things going on.

 

Report of Committees:

(non-committee item) John Clifford has a website on Lojban & logic:  2 sections on website are modifiers & propositional logic.

Level 0 package committee: (1998,99: John Cowan, chairman; David Twery; Tommy Whitlock, Bob LeChevalier) nothing to say (but Nick is done with creating level 0 book)

Internet site committee (1999: David Twery, chairman; Shawn Lasseter; Nick Nicholas):  Per Robin Powell:  Haven’t done most of what wanted; web-site & server & mailing list running.

Finance (aka poverty) Committee: defunct

On-line ordering (1997: Mark Shoulson, chairman): no report.

Worldcon committee (1998: Keith Lynch, chairman; David Bowen; Bob LeChevalier):  Flyers handed out.  Also at other conventions.  Will continue till run out.

Meet notice (1994: Bob LeChevalier and John Cowan): not done.

Grant proposal (1996: Dave Barton, chairman; David Twery; Bob LeChevalier):  no report.

Streamlining meeting procedures (1999: John Cowan, chairman):  Going a little better. Nothing else.

 

Consideration of new members:

Present, but not members

Adam Raizen

Avital Oliver

Allan Bailey

Aruna Vassar

            Qualifications, responsibilities explained.  All four desired to be considered.

MOVED: To offer membership to all four [listed above]. – PASSED without objection.

MOVED:  To offer membership to Jay Kominek [not present]. – PASSED without objection

 

Consideration of removal of old members:

Roll of old members for removal:

Ethan Fremen

Guy Garnett

Ivan Derzhanski

Veijo Vilva

            notice: if don’t …, terminate automatically – see last yr)

MOVED: To send notice like last year’s [see below] to Ethan Fremen – PASSED with no objection

MOVED: To send notice like last year’s [see below] to Guy Garnett – PASSED with no objection

[last year’s wording: “To send notice to … that if they do not participate by presence or proxy at the next annual meeting they will be terminated with no further vote needed]

           

Ivan:     sense of the meeting was to take no action

            Veijo:   sense of the meeting was to take no action

Action item given to Robert LeChevalier: contact Ethan, Guy.

           

Election of Board of Directors:

Current Board includes Robert LeChevalier, President; John Cowan, Vice President; Nora LeChevalier, Secretary/Treasurer; John Clifford; Charles Hope; Shawn Lasseter; Nick Nicholas.  Max of 7 allowed.

            Shawn wishes to resign; no internet access. – revoked after discussion.

            No new volunteers.

            [At this point Charles Hope (Xod) enters meeting]

MOVED: To elect the current slate [John Clifford, John Cowan, Charles Hope, Shawn Lasseter, Robert LeChevalier, Nora LeChevalier, Nick Nicholas] - PASSED with no objection

 

Old business: None

 

New business:

            Repaying book debt (to LeChevaliers): 8% loan:

·        If we did, cash on hand would be about $0 till new donations.

·        Bob: “cost of logfest $400-500 not yet covered”.

·        Sales tax debt minimal.  Other debts: CAIS potential (about 1-2K), Visa $30/mo, balances

·        When we published The Complete Lojban Language, Perry Smith gave $1,000 as a quasi-donation to publish and would like to be paid back if LLG is ever in position to pay back.

·        Motion re-pay $2000 to bob – withdrawn (will need the money for next book publication)

 

            Re: Robert A. McIvor statement:

MOVED: That the Secretary be authorized to extend peaceful intent and thanks for his statement. – PASSED [as amended below] with no objection

Friendly amendment: To specifically include that we will also be objective – ACCEPTED.                       

 

Book status per phone conversation with Nick: Last 2 weeks in September is deadline for any changes.  Nora to produce index.  At that point send to printer.  Dec-Jan, Nick may come to US.

           

            Possibilities for printing books:

·        Publisher [formal]

Print run costs: 1000 - $3500 hardback lessons (break-even point is 200 books at $20/copy); $2500 paper level 0.  We do charge shipping.  Historically level 0 has asked $5 donation; therefore ˝ of it would be to printer.

·        print-on-demand [informal – by individuals at Kinko’s in PDF format].

·        Real print on demand

Action item for Mark Shoulson: to find out about real print-on-demand feasibility. [Later made a motion – see 3rd motion down].

Discussion:

Suggestion that a  request for information on language gets flyer (1-page) as answer [Robin to formulate]; should not send out level 0 packet [ie: more than 10 pgs]

Bob: estimate about a dozen/year; internet people & those with e-mail are pointed to site, and most others out-of-country so postage anyway.

Non-internet people don’t know, so we may need to expect more at some point.

MOVED: That material sent for free to people who merely express interest be limited to a standard #10 envelope contents by default – WITHDRAWN

                                    Informal print on demand:

Won’t work unless 1 non-US volunteer (because of shipping costs) [Robin]

Volunteers to out-of-pocket publication costs.  So, tax deductible.

Can do as an experiment; could give balance to overseas volunteers for cost (who can’t get tax deduction). [Bob]

Informal print-on-demand: Robin, Avital, Allan volunteer.

Action item for Avital: check prices for Europe shipping from Israel & print-and-bind prices.

MOVED:  That level 0 package, upon release for publication, should be published using informal print-on-demand with specific procedures of on-demand publishing being set up by Robin Powell (and any other appointees), with the initial plan that no expense incur to LLG (ie: no net cost) in support.  President will at discretion indicate whether new correspondence warrants level 0 book or less substantial response.  Second committee (headed by Robin Powell) to develop the less-substantial response. – PASSED with no objection

 

            Textbook:

                        Print-on-demand won’t work – too long.

MOVED:  That a committee (Mark Shoulson to head) investigate real print-on-demand for the textbook and level-0 book, and defer decision on printing until report of Board – PASSED.

                        Robin Powell stated for the record:  Not spend more than $1000 until Bob repaid.

                       

            Official LLG projects:

                        John Cowan proposed that we institute official LLG projects as follows:

1.      Leader of project presents it to President.

2.      President consults Board.

3.      If Board approves, transmit information to Webmaster to post on official project list.

4.      Webmaster to poll project leaders at least every 3 months.

5.      Project leaders must then report to Board.

6.      Board may decide to not continue project as official.

MOVED: That we institute official LLG projects as proposed above – PASSED [as see Amendment a and Friendly Amendment b]

Amendment a [not accepted as a friendly amendment]: That the initiators mail the request to both webmaster and president, and if there is no response from the Board in an agreed-upon time frame it will mean it’s automatically added to the official project list as official by default – PASSED AS AMENDED by friendly amendment b, without objection.

Discussion:

                                    “reasonable” would be 1 month.

Availability of deferral requested by Board.  Notation that official by default.

                                    [John Clifford for record]: vitally needed

                                    [Robin Powell for record]: if amend never used, will offer public apology & vote to withdraw amendment at next meet.

Friendly amendment b [to Friendly amendment a]: replace “official by default” with “no objection” and include availability of deferral if board asks. - ACCEPTED

 

MOVED: To give the President discretion to change the status of any and all committees to projects without consulting the Board to discharge the committee, and to identify the resulting project as private or public listing. – PASSED without objection.

 

MOVED: That as of the year 2005 and after, all official LLG business must be discussed in lojban (where “official LLG business” is Board and LLG member meetings) and that there be a strong preference that all official business be available in lojban (perhaps in addition to other languages) – PASSED AS REPLACED by Amendment b as modified by Friendly Amendment b2

 

Note: there was much discussion.  The final vote was 16 in favor, 5 opposed.  Amendment c was defeated narrowly.

 

Amendment a: Institute only after 2 consecutive meetings of less than 2 hours – FAILED for lack of second

 

Amendment b: That instead, starting next year, all official meetings of LLG members and board be officially bi-lingual (may speak in either English or lojban) with translation by request of any member, and that it will be an old business item each year to discuss further conversion to preference for lojban during business matters. – PASSED as amended [in Friendly Amendment b2]

 

Amendment b1 [to Amendment b]: That meetings be bilingual, but motions and amendments be recorded in lojban – TABLED to next year.

 

Friendly Amendment b2 [to Amendment b]: Append “but are encouraged to speak in lojban” to “may speak in either English or lojban” – ACCEPTED

 

Amendment c [to Amendment b]: That all motions and amendments must be officially stated and recorded in lojban starting 2005 – FAILED.

 

MOVED:  To begin to put any official lojban items on web into lojban (and perhaps English, but not necessary) as soon as possible – PASSED AS AMENDED

Friendly Amendment: not “as soon as possible”, but “as resources allow” - ACCEPTED

 

            Delegating paperwork.

Robin Powell offered to pay for up to $500/yr for a paperwork worker (if starts occurring within 6 months).  Bob means to implement accounting package and to convert data (address list & accounts). John Clifford pledged some backup after the initial amount from Robin.  Small but non-zero possibility that Robin will not have job, however.

                        Bob: paperworker would have to be hired as independent contractor.

 

MOVED: To approve hiring of worker for paperwork on accounts and address list, as discussed above - PASSED

 

            Flyers:

Address on flyer should have separate e-mail address so we can identify responses from flyers.

 

MOVED: That LLG be favorable to Jay’s on-line collaborative dictionary - PASSED

 

MOVED: To Commend Robin Powell for exceptional efforts in converting the LLG site, and for exceeding expectations on presentation to public – PASSED.

 

MOVED: To express thanks to Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner for their work on the textbook - PASSED

 

            Next Logfest:

The intention is to hold it the last weekend in July

 

Meeting adjourned approximately 1:40 PM EDT.

 

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