From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Jul 31 07:50:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 14:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 43888 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 14:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 14:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 14:50:55 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020731145055.ZCDT3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:50:55 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731104234.034deec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:51:06 -0400 To: "jboste" Subject: Re: [lojban] pedagogy and lojban In-Reply-To: <009601c23873$82198420$5a9e03d5@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 11:19 AM 7/31/02 +0200, G. Dyke wrote: >I'm currently teaching Lojban to a Frenchman who knows very little English >(and has no interest in learning it - English, not Lojban). I'd set out with >the idea of translating the lessons, but I don't quite like the way in which >they are presented (in addition to which, I find them a bit long for the >purposes of teaching one person). > >I was wondering whether anyone had any opinions about the way to introduce >various concepts. Looking at what you are covering, I suspect that you might like the order and style of presentation of the minilesson. Don't bother with the phonological adaptation of names early on. It is a tricky subject, heavily tied to the student's awareness of phonology, rather heavy on technical aspects of the language that are only minimally "logical", and it doesn't much advance the cause of being able to say neat things in Lojban. And that is the key thing involved in teaching small numbers of students informally: getting them to be able to say things, especially interesting things, and to understand what they are saying and how it differs from the corresponding French (or English or whatever). The specific examples of the minilesson were designed for English speakers, and natives of other languages have found the minilesson unsuitable probably for that reason, but the informal and fast moving style of the lesson is a plus - the entirety of the content has been taught by various people (most recently Mark Shoulson at LogFest last weekend) in a single lesson of 1-2 hours. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org