From pycyn@aol.com Thu Aug 01 06:29:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 13:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 31891 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.109.16519687 (25714) for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <109.16519687.2a7a91aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:29:14 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: gi'uste bau la Daitc To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_109.16519687.2a7a91aa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_109.16519687.2a7a91aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/1/2002 6:09:30 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de writes: << > This looks as if it was translated by Babelfish zo'o. > >> Worse, by a human with about as much sense of the language anymore. << bacru - - ba'u =E4u=DFern x1 =E4u=DFert/dr=FCckt m=FCndlich aus/sagt/spri= cht [erzeugt Laut] x2 >> I worry about both sagen and sprachen as implying meaningful content, but=20 they may not. << balji - - - Knolle x1 ist eine Knolle/Zwiebel [K=F6rperteil] von Pflanze/= Art x2; [im =FCbertragen Sinne: gerundet, ausgebeult] >> Can Zweibel be used in this generic (or worse) sense, or does it always mea= n=20 at least some sort of lily, if not Allium. << [Is "Ereignis" a good translation for "event" in the lojban "nu" sense? I think not, but I can't think of anything better. dict.leo.org has to offer "Begebenheit, Ereignis, Geschehnis, Veranstaltung, Vorfall, Vorkommnis".] >> Well, it seems to suggest that the event happens, which is not required for= =20 Lojban {nu}s, but it seems to be the normal expression. Most of the other=20 choices seem to have the same implication, and Veranstaltung suggests a=20 planned big deal, an Event. I'd stick with Ereignis. So, do you want the job? Better, will you take it on and carry it through? --part1_109.16519687.2a7a91aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/1/2002 6:09:30= AM Central Daylight Time, Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de writes:

<<

This looks as if it was trans= lated by Babelfish zo'o.
>>

Worse, by a human with about as much sense of the language anymore.

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bacru - - ba'u =E4u=DFern x1 =E4u=DFert/dr=FCckt m=FCndlich aus= /sagt/spricht [erzeugt
Laut] x2
>>
I worry about both sagen and sprachen as implying meaningful content, but t= hey may not.

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balji - - - Knolle x1 ist eine Knolle/Zwiebel [K=F6rperteil] vo= n Pflanze/Art
x2; [im =FCbertragen Sinne: gerundet, ausgebeult]
>>

Can Zweibel be used in this generic (or worse) sense, or does it always mea= n at least some sort of lily, if not Allium.

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[Is "Ereignis" a good translation for "event" in the lojban "nu" sense? I think not, but I can't think of anything better. dict.leo.org has to offer<= BR> "Begebenheit, Ereignis, Geschehnis, Veranstaltung, Vorfall, Vorkommnis".] >>

Well, it seems to suggest that the event happens, which is not required for= Lojban {nu}s, but it seems to be the normal expression. Most of the other = choices seem to have the same implication, and Veranstaltung suggests a pla= nned big deal, an Event. I'd stick with Ereignis.

So, do you want the job? Better, will you take it on and carry it thr= ough?

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