From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Aug 01 08:32:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 91254 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17aHw4-0001aQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:32:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17aHvE-0001a8-00; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:31:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17aHv9-0001Zz-00 for lojban-list@digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:31:23 -0700 Received: from there ([216.102.199.245]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0H06005RU8G8IM@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for lojban-list@digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:31:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [lojban] Report on LogFest 2002 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730154447.00ab8170@pop.east.cox.net> To: lojban-list@digitalkingdom.org Message-id: <0H06005RV8G8IM@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> Organization: Web for Humans MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730154447.00ab8170@pop.east.cox.net> X-archive-position: 392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cherlin@pacbell.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Edward Cherlin From: Edward Cherlin Reply-To: cherlin@pacbell.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tuesday 30 July 2002 10:05 pm, Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group wrote: > LogFest 2002 ... > Xod called for LLG annual meetings to be conducted entirely in > Lojban starting in 2005, which of course would probably > disenfranchise those LLG members who have not yet become fluent > enough to participate. After considerable debate, I proposed a > gradual staged transition aimed at that goal, which was approved. > Starting next year, the annual meeting will be officially bilingual > with "real-time" translation available in either English or Lojban > from the other language. There is in additional official > encouragement to use Lojban as the language of preference, without > it being mandatory. The meeting minutes will be issued in both > languages (xod has indicated intent to translate this year's > minutes unofficially as well, with our encouragement, and I believe > will be leading a project to translate Robert's Rules of Order so > that we have the needed terminology and procedures for > parliamentary debate and decision in Lojban - see pc's posting for > some initial ideas on this). > > This issue will be officially revisited at the meeting each year, > with the intent of moving towards a transition to full use of > Lojban in all LLG business (which I would presume to be not limited > to the annual meeting but to all official business year-round > including those quarterly project reports from project leaders. A > motion to translate all official material on the web site to Lojban > as resources become available was passed). > > Part of this has always been intended, in that we declared years > ago that following the 5 year minimum baseline, any debates and > decisions as to possible changes in the language will take place in > Lojban-only, and my own opinion is that this part of the transition > to all-Lojban, in technical management of the language, is more > important than completely losing English in conducting the everyday > business of the organization (something we of course cannot do > completely, since we will still have to use English in dealing with > outsiders like the government). OK, that means that we need a Lojban translation (better, a second edition) of the Refgrammar, and of some of our favorite reference works on logic. -- Edward Cherlin Generalist "A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it!" --Alice in Wonderland