From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Aug 07 15:38:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15362 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17cZRT-0006Ms-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:38:11 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cZQv-0006MU-00; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cZQq-0006ML-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g77MbVO01844 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Arbitrary baseline violations (was: zo xruti xruti) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020807183232.G1314-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Jorge Llambias wrote: > Anyway, I have changed the Spanish definition to read thus: > > xruti xru volver > x1 vuelve/regresa/retorna a estado/lugar anterior/original x2 desde x3; > [def. oficial: x1 devuelve/regresa x2 a persona/estado/lugar > anterior/original x3 desde x4] > > This way the official definition is acknowledged, while presenting > the other one as preferred. This is something that belongs in commentary, rather than the official dictionary. No gismu list should deviate in place structure: that is too blatant a violation, and cannot be justified as difference of translation opinion! -- Nisha, 26, clutching an ice cream and her toddler son, read impassively through a leaflet calling for immediate dialogue with Pakistan to avert the horror of a nuclear war. "Why should we worry about this?" she said with a shrug. "India has more nuclear weapons than Pakistan. We will wipe them off the map and win the war."