From xod@xxxx.xxxx Sat Oct 30 21:46:46 1999
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Message-ID: <44114.271.1500.959273825@eGroups.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:46:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: xod <xod@xxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: 3 dogs, 2 men, many arguments

Over the past several days I have been pondering this issue. Here's my
latest impression.

"Everybody loves somebody" does not imply that "somebody is loved by
everybody", because in the former case, "somebody" may refer to a
different somebody for each in the "everybody", while in the latter case
it refers for a single given individual.

Why? Because in English, the subject is stated first, and when enumeration
is given to a subject it is taken to be absolute, whereas when it is given
to the object, it is relative to the subject.

This is because English sentences tend to be statements about subjects.

The Lojban bridi is a statement made "from infinity", a clear description
of fact from a 3rd party perspective. All Lojban utterances are this way,
except ones with prenexes containing terms of different "scope"! Those are
the only bridi that violate that fact that "da broda de" implies "de se
broda da".

This is an affront to my Lojbanic intuition and aesthetic. These sentences
follow English subject/object biases, right down to their word ordering.

Consider an alternative scheme: mappings.

The prenex is constructed like: (set definition 1) (mapping) (set
definition 2) (mapping) ... (set definition m) zo'u bridi

where a set definition is a da poi phrase, and a mapping
specifies the topology of the relationship between the sets, such as 1:1,
cross product, at least one, unknown, etc.

I wanted to float this idea before I worked out more specific details of
the scheme.


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During the initial period after Falon is installed, you may feel 
a little unused to it being in your body, you may have abdominal pain,
or feel like something is moving and have the sense of warmth, etc. 
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