From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Aug 11 16:50:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 23:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 33484 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 23:50:00 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020811235000.DYIH4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:50:00 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020811194350.03088ec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:49:41 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] space tenses In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 07:07 PM 8/11/02 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > The most intense discussions on this, as I remember, I had with > > Lojbab, and they were before you joined the list, and also before > > the Book was published. Obviously I did not manage to convince > > him. > >Nobody manages to convince Lojbab. What convinces Lojbab is when >one or more people he esteems get convinced. Pretty good insight. Lojbab doesn't think he owns the language (or even that he knows it best), and therefore does not take personally any possible change. He is also by nature a descriptivist and not prescriptivist, so is inclined to go with "whatever works". But he also feels that he is obliged by his role to be the philosophically conservative force resisting any unnecessary change that would drive old timers away, as well as resisting the tendency of conlangers to "fiddle". But one correction. These days, lojbab esteems a lot of people for lojban skill, and as the numbers increase, it takes convincing a larger number to convince lojbab. I don't think that convincing one or two is enough any more. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org