From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Mon Aug 12 01:26:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 08:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 96969 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 08:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 08:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spree.gedas.de) (139.1.44.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 08:26:20 -0000 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19785 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19781 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3W819WVB>; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 Message-ID: To: "'lojban@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: fu'ivla with lujvo as rafsi? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:15 +0200 Return-Receipt-To: "Newton, Philip" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Newton, Philip" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23036112 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton Is it possible to make type III fu'ivla using lujvo stems as pseudo-rafsi? I ask because I saw in the Nicene Creed as translated by nitcion (see, for example, http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9109/msg00033.html , or nicely formatted as http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/credo ), the word "cesprenrapostolo", which appears to me to be intended as cespren-r-apostolo (or possibly cespre-n-rapostolo). That is, it uses the lujvo "cesprenu" (with pseudo-rafsi cespren-) or "cespre" as the "rafsi" of the fu'ivla. Is this sort of thing possible? If not, what would the "orthodox" form have to be? Something like "censrnapostolo" or "prenrnapostolo" -- or perhaps "lijdrnapostolo"? (I'm using -rn- rather than -nr- as glue+crunchy consonant since I think the n- is a better crunchy, since it hearkens to the accusative "apostolon", so the glue reverts to the default -r-.) mu'omi'e filip. [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] {ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji} -- Philip Newton All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.