From pycyn@aol.com Wed Aug 14 01:32:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 08:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 44760 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 08:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 08:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 08:32:46 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.55.2bc11eb5 (4402) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:32:39 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] space tenses To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 7:59:15 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes: << > pc: > > jcowan@reutershealth.com writes: > > Actually it does: "nau" is an absolute tense cmavo meaning "here and > now". > > > > Nah, that's a modal or tense meaning, "at the speaker axis," not a > > name at all or simti in general at all. > >> Not bad. It is strictly the sentence uttered at here-and-now, not here-and-now itself (as 20:16 CDT is the time of h-n-n, not what it is the time of). But it is the most visible/audible thing to hook deixis on -- for deixis does need a stable hook. Just as a tense system does. And without either a name for h-n-n or the natural rule of Lojban tenses, the predicates system for tenses (et al) won't work (somebody's paper on somebody else's paper in the early 1960's -- probably Barbara Partee and maybe James McCawley in that order). --part1_55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 7:59:15 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes:

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pc:
> jcowan@reutershealth.com writes:
>  Actually it does:  "nau" is an absolute tense cmavo meaning "here and now".
>
> Nah, that's a modal or tense meaning, "at the speaker axis," not a
> name at all or simti in general at all.
>
>

Not bad.  It is strictly the sentence uttered at here-and-now, not here-and-now itself (as 20:16 CDT is the time of h-n-n, not what it is the time of). But it is the most visible/audible thing to hook deixis on -- for deixis does need a stable hook.  Just as a tense system does.  And without either a name for h-n-n or the natural rule of Lojban tenses, the predicates system for tenses (et al) won't work (somebody's paper on somebody else's paper in the early 1960's -- probably Barbara Partee and maybe James McCawley in that order).  --part1_55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7_boundary--