From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Aug 14 13:58:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 93627 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17f5DW-0003RL-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:58:10 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17f5DK-0003R3-00; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:57:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17f5DF-0003Qu-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:57:53 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7EL3poT047173 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g7EL3j14047164 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:45 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] kau -- What does it really mean?! Message-ID: <20020814210345.GA47062@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 613 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:59:27PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: [...] > Comment2: ???? > The number of people here is a large number. > > You want to refer to the number of people here in > terms of the question "how many people are here?". > You want to extract a number from a proposition. > > Before trying to do it in the question-indirect question > case, we should be able to do it in the simple proposition > case. How do we refer to the number 57 in terms of > {muze prenu cu zvati}? > > We don't have an operator that extracts a quantifier from > one of the sumti (and which sumti would it be?) of a bridi. > We could do something vague like: {le namcu pe le du'u > muze prenu cu zvati}, "the number associated with > fifty-seven people being here", and then we can use the > same trick in the indirect question case: [...] What's wrong with something along the lines of le ni zvati prenu cu barda I think this is maybe getting away from what the OP was talking about, but I think the 'ni' abstractor does what you want for above. -- Jordan DeLong fracture@allusion.net