From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Aug 14 14:31:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 21:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8138 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 21:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 21:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 21:31:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17f5k2-0003ZV-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:46 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17f5jW-0003Z9-00; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:14 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17f5jR-0003Z0-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7ELV8s45361 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] kau -- What does it really mean?! In-Reply-To: <20020814213323.GA48274@allusion.net> Message-ID: <20020814172824.C45190-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:01:35PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:59:27PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > [...] > > > > Comment2: ???? > > > > The number of people here is a large number. > > > > > > > > You want to refer to the number of people here in > > > > terms of the question "how many people are here?". > > > > You want to extract a number from a proposition. > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with something along the lines of > > > le ni zvati prenu cu barda > > > > > > I think this is maybe getting away from what the OP was talking > > > about, but I think the 'ni' abstractor does what you want for above. > > > > ni doesn't count the number, it offers a quantitative version of ka. Yes, > > it is about as useless as that sounds. > > Err, but that's exactly what we want here... ni will give you the here-person-ness of the one or more people who are here, as a quantity on some scale which measures such things, assuming ce'u is in the first place of the tanru. It won't tell you the number of souls who are here. -- China's longest-serving political prisoner, Wang Wanxing, 52, is being held at the Ankang Psychiatric Hospital for treatment of Political Abnormality Illness.